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Originally Posted by punky
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Oh go back and *read* the bloody thread again
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I think you're taking an off hand humourous joke a bit too far.
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Sorry? What evidence is there that his comment is "an off hand humourous joke"?
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I know you'd like to believe he is heading some right-wing conservative, capitalist militia hell bent on riding the world of socialists and communists,
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And once again Punky tries to put words into my mouth...
Again, where's your proof of this?
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I don't believe unquestioningly what they said, but at least they provide sources.
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So does Moore.
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David Hardy goes to great lengths to prove everything he says is true. Moorewatch always provides links, and very rarely just says something. If he does then it is normally common knowlege that can be accepted.
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It was "common knowledge" that Iraq had WMDs...
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Contrast that with F9/11. There were virtually no sources whatsoever.
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I haven't seen it, so I can't comment.
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What the...? Alright, if someone lies, it is rarely a one-off event. If someone lies then it isn't out of order to be just a little more cynical next time as to wether he is telling the truth or not. If I lie to you, then i'd expect you not to trust me next time, it is normal.
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"What the...? *THIS* is "What the...": "I fell for his crap once, and i'm not going to do it again willingly. When someone gets caught deliberately misleading, then they lose all trust privleges."
Now that's not just *being a little more cynical next time* this is "I'm not going to do it again", which is just slightly different!
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Wouldn't hurt to be a little more specific. You just said: "Or maybe despite his tendency to exaggerate in some places, he *does* actually have a point?" I'm assuming that "he" = Moore, and considering this topic is "Bowling For Columbine", unless you say otherwise that is what people will assume.
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Yes, that's what I said and yes, that's what I meant. You then tried to shift the goalposts (and all the big *sighs* you give won't change that) by, as I said, talking about the film "lacking direction" rather than referring to your original comment that "There isn't a very big side that debunks his myths" to which I responded "[...] maybe [...] he *does* actually have a point"
If you're going to take things out of context like this, I'm going to point it out.
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I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the people who realise Moore lies, distorts, spins, etc.
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The point is you weren't specific about who this "we" was and there was no context to base a conclusion on.
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Why are you always assuming i'm trying to attack you?
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I refer you to my recent PM where I explained that I've been doing this too long to be fooled by this sort of thing.
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You take everything I say, about Moore, Bush, pro and anti-Moore guys as some kind of personal attack against you.
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No, you sling mud around and, as you say immediately after:
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If you're included in that group, great. If you aren't great. Either way, im not bothered.
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You don't *care* who gets hit by the mud you sling around willy-nilly and seem to think that if anyone gets hit by it, it's *their* fault for getting in the way!
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It doesn't make what I say any less true.
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No, it doesn't make what you say *true* full stop. You make sweeping generalisations and then act all surprised when people get annoyed.
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Suffice to say if I wanted to turn this into a fight, i'd find something a bit more hurtful to say.
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Sorry, did I *say* you wanted to "turn this into a fight"? Oops, no, I didn't...
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Ah, now we're onto the "putting words into Graham's mouth" part of the debate...!
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*sigh* Of course I am Graham. Say that enough it might become true...
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I refer the honourable gentleman to the evidence given by the examples in this message, not to mention those in the previous ones...
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I'm not dragging you anywhere. Stop trying to lump everything on me. I'm talking about how Moore is a liar,
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No, you said (once more I quote your exact words)"
"Incapacitating someone who has entered your home and is willing to use a weapon on you, and cause you're family harm is a pretty credible use i'd say. There are a lot of things, that to me, have no constructive or credible use. That doesn't mean I should stop other people from enjoying them responsibly."
This is *not* talking about Moore *or* his being a "liar". This is a discussion point about whether a certain use of a gun is "credible" or not and whether you should "stop other people from enjoying them responsibly" or not.
That is why I declined to comment on it.
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Incidently, you started the point about guns in society, not me.
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"Oh, but Sir, SIR! He started it, Sir!"
I brought up that point because it was *IN RELATION* to BFC and obtaining a gun from a bank. You then, again, tried to shift the point by bringing blenders into the discussion which was completely irrelevant which was what I was trying to point out.