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Originally Posted by Graham

So he's going to advertise things that don't fit in with his beliefs? Hmm, so I should take advertising from the Coalition of Decency or the Moral Minority who want to put anti-porn ads on my site...??

There's nothing that says you can't. I don't suppose you'll find an advert for MoveOn there, but that doesn't mean all advertisers have to be totally in line with his beliefs

Originally Posted by Graham

Oh, note where it says "Fight Socialism! Visit my Advertisers!"

So? He runs a right-wing blog. The clue is in the URL. What is wrong with supporting capitalism? I happen to like it.

Originally Posted by Graham

I really can't help you with that. Although given your opinionsof Moore, you're probably very unlikely to give him the benefit of the doubt.

And that is what he gets for being a liar. I fell for his crap once, and i'm not going to do it again willingly. When someone gets caught deliberately misleading, then they lose all trust privleges. I actually did watch F9/11 last night, and some of the things he said actually sounded half reasonable, but there were no sources. So i'm not believing it until I personally, or someone else independently verifies or debunks it either way.

Originally Posted by Graham

And *why* is that, do you think? People aren't interested? People aren't capable? Or maybe despite his tendency to exaggerate in some places, he *does* actually have a point?

Have a point? The first thing I thought about after BFC, aside from all the misleading bits and distortions, was that the whole film didn't have a point? It just meandered around and ended with no conclusion. Is it (gun violence) because of so many guns? No. Canada has more. Is it because of race issues? No, he walks around South Central LA (Although I hardly think that proves much). He goes on about music, etc. He never actually accuses anyone or anything as the source of the problem. Which is about right. because if the government knew the source of the problem, there would be no problem.

And why isn't our voice heard? We never really got media interest, it was all word of mouth, but now the press is picking up on it. So is Moore, as he now has a war cabinet of people to debunk things that are said on anti-moore sites. A lot of is to do people just not realising. Can you, hand on heart, say you knew that Charlton Heston's "cold dead hands" speech was said 8 months later in a different city? Did you notice the change in clothing and background? I'm guessing probably not, because that wasn't what Moore wanted you to think. I certainly though that Heston said it 3 days after Columbine. Of course then I found MooreWatch, who provides dated transcripts of the speechs on independent sites, and says look closely for the clothing change. Also, a lot of Moore fans are blissfully unaware of Moore's distortions and like to remain that way. They won't even listen to the other side. It always makes me laugh. They always accuse anti-Moore guys of having closed minds, yet theirs is open just enough to listen to more, but not quite enough to listen to anyone who has an opinion against him.

Originally Posted by Graham

Great, so he's criticising Bush, but frankly that's like shooting fish in a barrel.

You're flexible. You desrise him because you though he liked Bush, now you derise him because he doesn't.

Originally Posted by Graham

But what he's *actually* saying is "get rid of Bush and get us a more credible Republican leader" and that's a different matter.

Why the hell can't people be republican? Because you aren't? I don't agree that Tony Blair will do the UK any good in the next four years, but that doesn't mean i'll attack anyone that does support Labour.

Originally Posted by Graham

As to the gun from the bank thing, the point is that a gun has *NO* constructive use! Guns are for *wounding* and *killing* people, they have no other credible use (target shooting etc is just practicing the skills you need). Blenders *do* have constructive uses.

Incapacitating someone who has entered your home and is willing to use a weapon on you, and cause you're family harm is a pretty credible use i'd say. There are a lot of things, that to me, have no constructive or credible use. That doesn't mean I should stop other people from enjoying them responsibly.