Yes but as i have said this site knows better then most people that it is down to technological barriers why ntl: can't provide your etv. So making news reports that make ntl: out to be victimising their customers because of factors beyond their current control on a site that attracts visitors with not so much knoweldge as other people about telecommunications is wrong. Its not what you are being sold really anyway, you are being sold Digital TV, Telephone and Internet, the rest all being bonus's!