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Originally Posted by punky
God no wonder you hate it, I wouldn't live in those places for anything. Take the (I can't rememeber, 400?, 404?) North-west out of Toronto there are some nice places. Aurora, Newmarket (some really affluent places there. They have a Ferrari dealership too), Richmond Hill. There are some nice towns out there. Toronto isn't bad either. You are right though about the freeways and things generally look worn out. Still, there are worse places to be.
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I lived out near(ish) the Kawartha lakes too, up near Peterborough .. pleasant enough place, no decent amenities though (not even a local rate ISP), no shops, no pubs/bars nothing. Toronto didn't have much in the way of character for me, nor did Mississauga, but yes, Hamilton and Oshawa do have to be the two worst cities in Canada, one's a steel town one's a car manufacturing town. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something I hate about both the USA and Canada, perhaps I was hanging out with the wrong people.