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punky · 03-05-2004, 15:06

I've now read the Mirror, and i'm unconvinced that the pictures are genuine.

Firstly, the Mirror counters claims about floppy hats, missing badges, and incorrectly laced boots by publishing pictures of floppy hats, missing badges and incorrectly laced boots, and saying: "There you are. We were telling the truth". But there are no independent good quality reference sources quoted. There aren't even any sources of any kind. Now you don't have to be a genius to think if you want pictures to prove a point, you might want to source them. For all I know they could have Googled "british soldier", and published the first one with floppy hats. Half the pictures might not have been taken in the middle east, by the look of them.

They quote 2 soldiers anonymously as explaining away the pictures. But when they get to the tough questions, they just go: "I don't know", or "I can't explain that".

The one (and only one) point that makes sense is the clean gun. I know the SA-80s are standard issue, but are extremely fragile, especially in dusty/desert environments. The guns would have to be stripped and cleaned down more or less every day. Certainly every couple of days, even if it been stored indoors. So the gun would of been relatively clean, but i'm still not totally convinced because there still would of been scratches, knocks, etc.

I probably shouldn't get into this again (not least because it is off topic), but I believe, war for oil, or weapons of mass destruction, every anti-war protester was a vote for Saddam to keep him in power. Noone has every proposed a sensible way of getting rid of Saddam without force, especially after removing sanctions. I always thought it should of been the other way around. I would have thought the 'bleeding heart' liberals (that are supposed to care for every poor, down-trodden, and abused person around the world), would have been supporting the war, and the 'money hungry' conservatives would have been protesting such an expensive move that didn't directly benefit ourselves. Funny how things work out.

03-05-2004, 15:06	#105
punky Inactive Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 45 Posts: 14,750	Re: MERGED - Prisoner Abuse I've now read the Mirror, and i'm unconvinced that the pictures are genuine. Firstly, the Mirror counters claims about floppy hats, missing badges, and incorrectly laced boots by publishing pictures of floppy hats, missing badges and incorrectly laced boots, and saying: "There you are. We were telling the truth". But there are no independent good quality reference sources quoted. There aren't even any sources of any kind. Now you don't have to be a genius to think if you want pictures to prove a point, you might want to source them. For all I know they could have Googled "british soldier", and published the first one with floppy hats. Half the pictures might not have been taken in the middle east, by the look of them. They quote 2 soldiers anonymously as explaining away the pictures. But when they get to the tough questions, they just go: "I don't know", or "I can't explain that". The one (and only one) point that makes sense is the clean gun. I know the SA-80s are standard issue, but are extremely fragile, especially in dusty/desert environments. The guns would have to be stripped and cleaned down more or less every day. Certainly every couple of days, even if it been stored indoors. So the gun would of been relatively clean, but i'm still not totally convinced because there still would of been scratches, knocks, etc. I probably shouldn't get into this again (not least because it is off topic), but I believe, war for oil, or weapons of mass destruction, every anti-war protester was a vote for Saddam to keep him in power. Noone has every proposed a sensible way of getting rid of Saddam without force, especially after removing sanctions. I always thought it should of been the other way around. I would have thought the 'bleeding heart' liberals (that are supposed to care for every poor, down-trodden, and abused person around the world), would have been supporting the war, and the 'money hungry' conservatives would have been protesting such an expensive move that didn't directly benefit ourselves. Funny how things work out.