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Originally posted by timewarrior2001
But your not, Your Birth, Marriage and Death are all registered By law.
So with the exception of Marraige (possibly) and Death, you simply are NOT anonymous are you?
You are required by LAW to take part in the census every 10 years. This also gives out certain information.
you understand why I dont think the human rights issue can be given?
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I understand where you're coming from but I think you're misunderstanding the nature of the registration of births, deaths and marriages, and the census.
BDMs notes where I was on the day I was born, married and died (not yet tho'!) That information is on file but I cannot be required by law to produce it simply to prove who I am, unless it is to satisfy someone providing a service I myself have requested.
The Census takes a snapshot of who and where I am on a certain day, once a decade. But any information I give that could personally identify me is protectd by law for 100 years. No-one is allowed to use it to trace me as an individual.
There is a fundamental difference between records that are kept concerning me, and a legal power granted to the police requiring me to prove my ID.
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I sometimes think of it from an exxtreme angle.
those people that complain about somehting as small and convenient as an ID card going against your human rights. The country is practically at a state of war on terrorism. When was the last time the UK was threatened? Did the population kick up a fuss about national ID cards then?
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Last time we had an ID card scheme this country was in real danger of being invaded and occupied by a foreign power. At the beginning of the Blitz on London, public swimming baths were drained and then filled with formaldehyde in readiness for the 10s of 1,000s of people that died. 9/11 was an utter tragedy, as would something similar happening here, but it, and the 'war on terror' is simply not of the same magnitude as WW2.
I would be interested in some thoughts on how ID cards might have prevented 9/11, when the consensus appears to be that had the US security agencies made better use of powers they already had, the tragedy might have been averted.
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I'm sorry but I think bleating on about invasion of human rights by being told to carry a little plastic card is extremely detrimental to what the human rights bill is actually about.
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Belittling the opposing point of view - i.e. 'bleating', 'little plastic card' - does nothing to further a reasoned debate though, does it?
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Remember the main one, we have NO constitutional right to free speach, But it is tolerated.
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Merely a quirk of British history, all tied up with our constitutional monarchy. No-one rocks the boat essentially because any attempt by the Monarch to enforce his/her 'true authority' would end up in a constitutional crisis. At one time there was even a real fear amongst the British Establishment that the fervour of the French Revolution might spread to this side of the Channel.
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Theres far more pressing issues than Extreme left wing policies of human rights and ID cards at this present point in history.
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Very true, although a relative lack of importance is not equivalent to 'not important at all'.
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I also dont think that having to be able to identify yourself to the authorities if so requested would actually be against human rights. After all it happens in the states and a lot of other countries.
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True, and yet this police power in the USA failed to prevent 9/11. The number of people on Earth that have to carry ID papers is skewed by the fact that there is an oppressive regime running China - the most populous nation on Earth.