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Originally Posted by Neil
Oh dear.......
Your statements above are totally incorrect I'm afraid.
The base pack on Sky is (approx) 7 or 8 pounds cheaper than the equivalent ntl one-that is because ntl bundle their phone line with the service, so you pay an extra £7/£8 or so whether you like it or not.
Also-FYI, Aizad Hussain (MD of ntl Home) told me in person that he hated the sales reps telling people that they get a free phone line as this is misleading!!
It's not 'free', if it were then why are you paying more money per month for the equivalent Sky package?
The most expensive package from Sky (called Sky World Family Pack) is £40.00 per month (details here: http://www.sky.com/skycom/article/0,...125843,00.html ), the 'equivalent package from ntl is £47.50 (details here: http://www.ntlhome.com/ntl_tv/premium.html )
From that ntl page I've linked to above.....
So.....that £47.50 package includes a phone line, but is £7.50 dearer than the closest Sky package.  Not only that, but the ntl £47.50 package has less channels than the £40.00 Sky package-fact.
So, whatever way you look at it Gary, you are wrong saying that the phone line is freee, & the proof is above. 
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The base Pack on Sky doesnt contain as many channels as the ntl one....well as many decent ones. Channels like ITV2, TMF, UK History (Freeview lot) are not in the Sky Base Pack and only available in the family pack. So its not like for like either way.
An ntl package works out cheaper than having a Sky and BT Line which would cost now £50.50 the comparative ntl package now is £49.50 I believe. Sky Worl has more channles....mostly shopping, and garbage that the wide majority of people never watch, all the most watched channels are available on ntls packages.
The Phone IS NOT Free it is a budled package of which the user has not option to cancel the phone (unless its unavialble). In my opinion this is a major disdvantage to NTL Cable TV market potential, as many people wont want to switch phone numbers or providers and dont want the hassle of changing providers. People will want Digital TV these people will always choose Sky over ntl....and there is a lot of these people around!