yea its a strang bit of kit, its called a nokia secure access server and some how it uses a java app loaded from a web browser to remap 127.0.0.* to servers at the other end. It works on my laptop fine but for some reason not my pc. It says something about unable to bind to socket, the only think i can think that is causing the problem is the latest IP V6 that i have instaled from windows update. But its a nokia problem not an ip problem as i origionally thought so on the blower to them in the morn, cheers though