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So are ntl in danger of becoming uncompetetive, with their BB charges, so that their cash cow falters?

Ntl 150k broadband = £17.99
Tiscali 150k = £15.99
today Pipex launch 150k @ £15.99

The 1meg service increase also prices ntl out of that market.

Yes I know that for most ADSL services you have to pay the quarterly phone rental charge, but most BT based customers are doing that anyway for their normal phone use? I know ntl provide a modem, ADSL customers might have to buy one. But the average punter just sees the monthly headline figure.

For new customers, in an ADSL area, I know what I'd be choosing, and that's bad news for ntl and ultiimately the customer. Fewer ntl signups and customer churn will result in less not more revenue, meaning less money to invest and less profits so a deteriorating service.

Ntl, being in total control of their own network should be abe to provide services cheaper than the BT based system, where all so many different organisations each need their slice of the action - BT wholesale, the ISP, etc. NTL should be able to undercut this competition, even where BT is being forced by ofcom to keep it's prices down. ntl aren't competetive, why not?