[Russ]

Originally posted by El Diablo


Forgive me for my ignorance, but I am still really failing to see the significance between the mark of the antichrist and the use of an ID card. If this was a good enough reason for people to not carry such cards, how do all the American christians manage? Surely, an ID card is proof of identity [as it's name would suggest], rather than a 'mark' as you seem to be suggesting. The mark on the back forehead or back of the right hand is not a personal identifier, simply a form of generic labelling that identifies persons belonging to a particular set - nothing more specific. If the government were suggesting I have "UK" tattooed to my forehead, or back of my right hand, then yes, I would object also.

I repeat, I never said that this silly ID card is the 'mark' described in Revelations.

..erm... with respect, you would need to 'prove' that the other books of the bible are true or have come true since they were created... to my knowledge, no conclusive proof of the existence of these people or the validity of the stories contained within the good books actually exists - hence the existence of varying religions, dependant upon ones choice of flavour.

Erm...with respect, no I don't need to prove anything, Christianity is based on 'faith'. I also repeat that I have never said there should be no ID cards at all, I just said they should not be compulsary.

IMHO, it's all down to interpretation and belief... I just find it hard to believe your resoning behind christians not wishing to have ID... surely if Satan is going to put his mark on you anyway, as can be intrerpreted from the book of revelations, it's inevitable and therefore no matter what is done by us mere mortals, our fate is already decided.

I love to listen to those with little or no understanding of the Bible

If you've read Revelations (I assume you haven't) you'll see that it is not inevitable that antichrist will put the mark on us at all - he will try to force it on us but he is also subject to free will just as God is.

That site is poppy-cock
The very chip contains no more information than your credit card does (ie just a number)
It's the same principle as getting your dog or cat chipped.
It is not a tracking device!
The range of the signal barely breaks the skin, you have to run the reader over the implant.
The reader checks the number against a database that holds your information.
GPS tracking my arse

Grrrrrrrrr!! I did not say that this was the chip mentioned in Revelations!! I'm just pointing out how close we are to something mentioned in a book written 2000 years ago which could not have imagined the technology we have today!!