and by the same token i cant understand anyone staying with ntl if they can get out of it

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Why tho'
You like the red dot ?
See those who explain why it is useless
http://www.whatvideotv.com/frame.htm...n/petition.php
You want to pay more for BT + $ky than NTL for any phone package and tv package (WHY!!)
You want to sell your TV soul to Murdoch by buying a $ky + box that does not work with any other platform !!! when you could buy any number of DVd r or hard disk machines that don't happen to be being pushed like made on $ky adverts but will work with NTL, freeview or FTA sat boxes
Make the case cos it makes no sense
On every score NTL wins.