[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Neil

I'm not sure what I am doing wrong here....

1) All companies offer discounts/perks/benefits to staff.

No they don't Neil.

2) All companies should discount all offers/perks/benefits properly to protect all parties.

As far as your concerned maybe....

3) If documented correctly by a company, in the case of an outsourcing deal, when TUPE is applied, those staff will retain all those (properly documented) benefits/perks/discounts.

How exactly do you retain a perk or benefit offered by a company you don't work for?

4) If not documented properly by a company, then the staff who will be outsourced will lose their benefits.

Yes. And?

What part of this am I not making clear?

It's all clear Neil, just entirely unrealistic

OB/Nem, I suggest that you tell all the employees who are bing outsourced that there's a perfectly good reason that they will now lose those discounts/perks/benefits, even though they are being TUPE'd, but everything that is documented will be honoured by their new employers (Fujitsu)

Neil, there are associates employed by ntl that don't receive the same perks (ie digi services) as other associates still employed by ntl purely because of the on/off-net situation. Why should employees who no longer work for ntl get the perks that those that still work for ntl cannot get for one reason or another?

I think OB & Nem-sorry, but you are both missing the point.

No, I'm totally clear on what you're saying Neil - I just think it's a crock.

TUPE is there to protect employees in the event of an outsource, in these people's case they will lose their freebies because ntl did not write it into their contracts-fact.

TUPE is there to make sure that the employees contractual rights belonging to their job are not lost or compromised. A perk is not a right. It's as it says, A PERK. How many time does it have to be explained to you why the perks are not written into the contract? Why do you ignore any post that might give reasonable and acceptable explanation to your questions?

Fujitsu will inherit the employees current salary/holiday entitlement/length of service, etc (assuming they have been properly documented!)

Correct.

So.....

2 questions......

Why should they lose their associate package of free Family Pack/telephone line rental/half price other products?

Why are they losing their associate package of free Family Pack/telephone line rental/half price other products?

For the last time - BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE EMPLOYED BY NTL TO RECEIVE THESE - AND THEY'RE A PERK, NOT A CONTRACTUAL RIGHT!!!!!

Family pack=£2 8.00 per month (currently!)=ÂÂà ‚£336.00 per year that these employees will be worse off through no fault of their own.

You may think that that 'is life', I do not happen to agree.

And as I said earlier, the deal is not done yet - what the TUPE guys might be worse off with in one hand could be compensated in another. But I guess that possiblility doesn't suit your current agenda of sl4gging ntl off at every opportunity, does it?

Question for you - if that's how YOU think it should be, answer me this question - how would you deal with the salaries as far as receiving taxable benefits go?

Do you know of any legal, best practice way to tax an associates salary because of a benefit that the company who pays their salary doesn't provide????.....