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Originally Posted by Pierre
A quote from said article "He acknowledges that his sexual disorder cannot be cured but can be treated, cannot be eliminated but can be controlled."
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So a paedophile is an expert on his own condition?
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A quote from said article "But Fr Shay believes that most sick perverts cannot be cured from their twisted crimes.
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"Believes that..." And that's a quote from a Priest. And it's a quote from an article in the News of the Screws, that bastion of journalistic integrity...
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"Judges can send paedophiles into clinics all they like but most will stay the same. Statistics show that only two or three percent will becompletely rehabilitated and not re-offend."
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Which statistics? Who researched and published them? Cites?
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Below is taken from the reading of the sex offenders bill in the House of Lords on the 14th March 1997.
Baroness Blatch
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The Minister of State from the Home Office ie someone who can most likely be expected to follow the government's line.
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"Paedophiles are markedly different from other criminals. They tend to be highly manipulative and clever, and their offending behaviour often intensifies with the passage of time.
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"Other criminals", being whom, exactly? Your common or garden thug/ burglar/ mugger/ car thief/ whatever? Unlike, say, White Collar criminals who are also highly manipulative and clever and who, if they've managed to scam a few people out of their life savings etc, will often go on to do it again to even more people?
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Lord Thomas of Gresford [...] a man whom I represented many years ago who conceded that his whole life had been made miserable by his compulsive obsession with young boys. I recall that he told me that aversion therapy made no difference to him.
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PETER TATCHELL recalls his 1972 protest against Prof. Hans Eysenckââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s advocacy of aversion therapy as a "cure" for homosexuality.
"Professor Eysenck began by emphasising that there was "no relationship between aversion therapy and punishment....it does not involve sadistic motivations.....Neither does aversion therapy seek to act as a deterrent. The fact is that aversion therapy is used for the patientsââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ own good.
Challenging his statement that aversion therapy was used "for the patientsââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ own good", I interrupted the lecture, citing cases of people who, since undergoing aversion therapy, have become chronic depressives."
http://www.petertatchell.net/psychiatry/dentist.htm
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"In the case of dangerous and persistent paedophiles [...] no release from incarceration should ever be contemplated, unless sexual offences have been admitted to and treatment has led to virtual one hundred percent rehabilitation. Great care must be taken before releasing individuals who claim to be cured. [...] There will be some among them who will never be rehabilitated. These should not be allowed to leave the prison system as it would not be fair to society and potential victims or to themselves."
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I have never *SAID* that they should all be released. I agree that great care should be taken to ensure that they don't re-offend. I don't deny that there are some who may be capable of deceiving psyciatrists.
However this should *NOT* be used as an excuse to "lock them all up for life and throw away the key"!
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I could post many other articles on here, I'm sure there are many articles to the contrary.
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I have no doubt.
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What has the fact that some of the countrys thuggery underclass can't read got to do with it?
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Let me quote your words "if you are referring to an "innocent" person being wrongly accused and convicted of a crime, then that is matter for the courts."
I am talking about an innocent person being hounded and attacked by a group of people who cannot look beyond the media hype. And who said anything about them being "some of the countrys thuggery underclass"?
"Scottish police have charged a man with murdering a former school teacher who spent time in jail for abusing teenage boys.
"The death follows police concern in recent weeks over a possible rise in vigilantism after addresses of paedophiles were published on the Internet."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040217/325/em7mm.html
I'm sure at least *some* of those vigilantes are "ordinary decent people", just like the "ordinary decent people" who post messages on here or write letters to newspapers saying that paedophiles should be executed/ castrated/ locked in a room with a few good people...!
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Yes lets see what I said.....
You choose to snip out the fact that children are violated as emotive. Yes it may be IN YOUR OPINION emotive, it is also a fact. Or do you not agree that children are violated??
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Don't be ridiculous, and don't try to distract from the subject. The words I snipped were "(and let's not forget that point, these people hurt children in ways I'm sure most of us could only try, and fail, to imagine)", now whilst it may be, to some extent, factual, it is *also* emotive and serves only to try to bolster your arguments with the fallacy of "Appeal to Emotion", eg "how can you argue against this when it's so terrible?"
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/index.html
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You accuse me of taking away a paedophiles human rights. Well tough, what about the childs human rights. What about Sarah Paynes human rights after being killed by a freed convicted paedophile and she is not the only one.
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And, once again you go for the Appeal to Emotion.
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Now you have pinned your colours to the mast I can see who is the most important in your world.
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Oh dear, now you're verging on Ad Hominem.
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Let us protect the paedophiles and make sure they are well cared for.
Oh sorry, am I spinning again?
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Yes, you are, and it gives your arguments less credibility, not more.