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Originally Posted by punky
It is obvious, because the EUCOHR has been so proactive in running our country.
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Well, what's wrong with the European Convention on Human Rights?
It's attached to this post. Rights include the Right to Life, Prohibition of Torture, Prohibition of Slavery, Right to Liberty & Security, Right to a Fair Trial, Right to Privacy, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Expression, & more....Sound good to me.
Hardly "alien" either, as that article said. As Graham said, the UK signed up to the ECoHR decades ago. Plus, the Government (finally) enshrined the ECoHR into domestic UK Law with the Human Rights Act 1998.
The USA has had specific rights like these, in law, for over two centuries thanks to the Constitution's Bill of Rights. I think it's about time that we had similar written rights.
Oh, & AFAIK the ECoHR & the European Court on Human Rights are nothing to do with the European Union.
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No, liberties are a human right. Everyone deserves to be free, not just the countries that fight for them. Countries have to fight to maintain it.
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Exactly. So what's wrong with the ECoHR?
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No, the things that may make countries like the US better than where the terrorists come from are things like freedom. Freedom to practice a religion. Freedom to go to school. Freedom to just do things you want.
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See above
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In afghanistan, women wern't allowed to go to school, or even the shops unsupervised.
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True.
Although it isn't actually much better now though. The warlords run most of the country, & they're not much different to the Taliban they've replaced.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...146134,00.html
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Rule of the rapists
Britain and the US said war on Afghanistan would liberate women. We are still waiting
Mariam Rawi in Kabul
Thursday February 12, 2004
The Guardian
When the US began bombing Afghanistan on October 7 2001, the oppression of Afghan women was used as a justification for overthrowing the Taliban regime. Five weeks later America's first lady, Laura Bush, stated triumphantly: "Because of our recent military gains in much of Afghanistan, women are no longer imprisoned in their homes. The fight against terrorism is also a fight for the rights and dignity of women."
However, Amnesty International paints a rather different picture: "Two years after the ending of the Taliban regime, the international community and the Afghan transitional administration, led by President Hamid Karzai, have proved unable to protect women. The risk of rape and sexual violence by members of armed factions and former combatants is still high. Forced marriage, particularly of girl children, and violence against women in the family are widespread in many areas of the country."
In truth, the situation of women in Afghanistan remains appalling. Though girls and women in Kabul, and some other cities, are free to go to school and have jobs, this is not the case in most parts of the country. In the western province of Herat, the warlord Ismail Khan imposes Taliban-like decrees. Many women have no access to education and are banned from working in foreign NGOs or UN offices, and there are hardly any women in government offices. Women cannot take a taxi or walk unless accompanied by a close male relative. If seen with men who are not close relatives, women can be arrested by the "special police" and forced to undergo a hospital examination to see if they have recently had sexual intercourse. Because of this continued oppression, every month a large number of girls commit suicide - many more than under the Taliban.
Women's rights fare no better in northern and southern Afghanistan, which are under the control of the Northern Alliance. One international NGO worker told Amnesty International: "During the Taliban era, if a woman went to market and showed an inch of flesh she would have been flogged; now she's raped."
Even in Kabul, where thousands of foreign troops are present, Afghan women do not feel safe, and many continue to wear the burka for protection. In some areas where girls' education does exist, parents are afraid to allow their daughters to take advantage of it following the burning down of several girls' schools. Girls have been abducted on the way to school and sexual assaults on children of both sexes are now commonplace, according to Human Rights Watch.
In spite of its rhetoric, the Karzai government actively pursues policies that are anti-women.
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The "war on terror" toppled the Taliban regime, but it has not removed religious fundamentalism, which is the main cause of misery for Afghan women. In fact, by bringing the warlords back to power, the US has replaced one misogynist fundamentalist regime with another.
But then the US never did fight the Taliban to save Afghan women. As recently as 2000 the Bush administration gave the Taliban $43m as a reward for reducing the opium harvest. Now the US supports the Northern Alliance, which was responsible for killing more than 50,000 civilians during its bloody rule in the 1990s.
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*quickly jumps out of thread - No time to get into all this as much as I used to! LOL, I spent way too many hours in the Current Affairs forum at .com last year*