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Originally Posted by dellwear
Really though it wasn't a government official that approved their applications (for what ever it was) it was a civil servant. I agree it shouldn't have happened, but the MP's in charge of these departments don;t actually work down the immigration processing office standing over the workers. They are told by the management what's happening and let the managers do the running of the offices, just as it has been done for years.
You can't hold the cabinet minister for the Benefits agency responsible for every tom dick or harry that starts giving out free money to people can you?
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Yes you can. That's the point of having a minister. They are responsible for what their department does. If a member of their department does something like this, in breach of department and gov policy, and at risk to the nation, then the minister obviously has allowed incompetancy within the dept managment. A good manager knows what his staff is doing and so would be aware of such a breach.
A few years back, when politics was done with more honour, ministers would resign for such incompetance, but with tony, it just isn't happening.
He won't even accept his own responsibilities and deal with the whislte blower who's being punished (but wait, isn't this gov supposed to be pro wistle blower?)
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But on the flip side when My MP contacted the MP responsible for Immigration, Naturalisation etc, we got a simple immigration approval for Permanent Leave to Remain escalated up the process by the end of the week. The Ministers do have the power.
In the same way, when corporate scandles occur, we expect those at the top to have been aware, or have had the management information and the cognicence to understand it. After all thats why they are there.
This is a problem of the governance system. Those who want to be MPs by default should not be allowed to be, those who don't and are capable or running great corporations on the other hand should be running government departments and running them with the efficiency of major corporations.