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well firstly i would like to add that the ntl base pack is £18 and the special offer includes the fact that phone is included.
also that the sky value pack only contains 5 subscription channels and the rest are free to view. ntl has 40 subscription channels.
ntl include itv2, soon sky travel and sky one mix, the hits, ftn, uk history and more, which are not in the sky value pack. (sky crap--> ntl much better and better value for money).
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