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Originally Posted by erol
No it's not milage that causes congestion - exactly my point. Just as its not how much u downlaod that causes congestion. Exactly my point so why are NTL trying to solve congestion by removing or restricting user because they do 'too many miles'?
Its not your vehical type or the way you drive it that causes congestion. Its eveyone trying to use the sane road at the same time.
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You haven't thought that out Erol. Vehicle types and how they are driven is the main cause of road congestion. Get on a hilly motorway with one lorry trying to pass another at virtually the same speed and a car driver hardly going any faster than the lorries using the outside lane to pass them and you soon get a big build up of traffic. Take the same motorway with all the vehicles doing exactly 70 mph and you have no congestion at all.
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Originally Posted by erol
As I said before the original example made an assumption that a user was either using the connection or not and if they were all usage was equall. A gross simplification to make a point but valid none the less.
The idea that a user either only uses P2P or web and chat and email is flawed imo. There are many apps that light users use that eat bandwidth (for a short time - hence low total usage).
The point is thqat NTL are defining abuse as being total usage. What they should be doing is defining abuse as being high usage in peak periods. Thats my point.
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That assumption of yours is totally wrong and doesn't make any point valid. Every user has a different goal and a different pattern of usage and may do many things whilst online. Yes there are many apps that eat bandwidth but in the main most users are not using apps that are anywhere near maxing out their connection in either direction. I have been in IT for more years than most people on here have lived and have talked to many people on the subject and have seen what thousands of people have on their systems.
Neither of us know how NTL define abuse (other than the "cap" as set out in the AUP), nor the reasoning that NTL used to select customers to receive the letter
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Originally Posted by erol
When you go online in peak hours and _use_ your connection you cause congestion. How much you may have dl in non peak times is irrelevant.
Someone who runs p2p (or any app that has a high up or down throughput) 24/7 7 days a week should be dealt with. However there ARE heavy users that do not max out their connection at all during peak hours and these are being punished by NTL equaly with those that do.
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You can go online in peak hours and cause no congestion whatsoever. You, and others, talk about peak periods but all 24 hours a day can become congested dependant on how others on your card are behaving. There is a suggestion that downloading in non-peak hours is OK and doesn't affect anyone, correct me if I am wrong.
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Originally Posted by erol
I think you are obsessed with P2P personaly. There are many many apps that cause high volume usage - up or down. NTL is promoting some of these apps via its plus product for just one example. It is just as likely to be a 'light' users that only uses the net in peak periods that causes congestion as a heavy users. What is considered 'normal' usage today is a tiny fraction of what was considered normal 5 years ago. The same will be true in 5 years time.
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I use p2p as an example, not because I am obsessed with it, but because it is something that many people use 24/7 and no matter what anyone says they are not always downloading legal material. What other application can you think of that can consume so much bandwidth 24/7?
As I have said many times in other threads, mainly on dotcom, times change and things like the number of users per UBR card should be altered to take heed of changing usage of bandwidth by applications. Likewise the 1Gb "cap" should be looked at on a regular basis to see if the figure is still valid if NTL insist that there is a "cap" on usage. Technology will change over a period and the capabilities of NTLs infrastructure should move on to enable users to benefit from from these changes.
I would welcome your ideas on how the subject of congestion can be overcome, taking into account the fact that there is not unlimited financial resources.