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Originally Posted by Xaccers
You try reasoning with a 3 year old then.
If positive reinforcement doesn't work its because it doesn't actually affect the child!
If slapping children was so bad, then how come it wasn't until parents stopped doing it that youth crime increased, people started becoming afraid to go down to the shops after dark because of the groups of disrespectful youths?
Why is it that the number of assults on teachers by pupils have gone up since corporal punishment was abolished?
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I've reasoned with a 3 year old and if you make the effort to understand something of what is going on in their tiny heads on their level then it is much more fulfilling for everyone than a smack. Postitive discipline is not a quick fix pill for an existing problem but something that sometimes has to be built up over time and with some effort. Much more effort than a smack.
I don't know quite how you can just casually rubbish the experts like that by making broad statements that positive discipline does not work and has no effect. Maybe you have misunderstood the information in the link I gave or perhaps you need to look for some more expert resources on the subject which may deal with more specific examples.
Have you watched any of that series on TV at the moment (forget what its called) where an expert teaches parents how to deal with unruly children. The results (quite rapid results too) speak for themselves and not a smack in sight.
As I've been trying to point out, smacking is not the only form of discipline. There will be a correlation between the breakdown in *any* form of discipline employed at home and the increase in youth crime or problems at school etc. It is illogical to say it is all because they all weren't smacked enough. It would be more likely that a child may have a problem due to being smacked too much. With a more positive approach you don't have to worry too much about being too positive.
At the end of the day, the fact is that smacking is not allowed in schools and it will never come back. You can either sit there moaning and wishing about the "good ole days" or you can push for a better more positive way. The easiest way to start with that is in the home with your own kids. With the wealth of information we have at our fingertips, instantly available via the internet for free, we have absolutely no excuse for not trying.