[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

Your attitude towards the unemployed, your opinion that there should be equal % tax paid by all therefore transferring less wealth from rich to poor, complete incomprehension that you may ever come to rely on the state and will always be employed and relatively wealthy, your support of George Bush and his cabinet, which is certainly a somewhat less than democratically elected dictatorship of the rich, they seem to be as often as not millionaires, and certainly are quite happy to line pockets of the rich at the expense of those who will end up paying for the borrowing.

And this all relates to fascism, HOW EXACTLY? You have failed to answer my question.


However, regarding what you said, a few points:

- why should MY wealth be transferred by the government? Why can't I help people on my own accord?

- "your support of George Bush and his cabinet" -- What about this?

- "which is certainly a somewhat less than democratically elected dictatorship of the rich, they seem to be as often as not millionaires, and certainly are quite happy to line pockets of the rich at the expense of those who will end up paying for the borrowing." -- Explain in detail the following:

-- How is the current administration a dictatorship?

-- How do they line the pockets of the rich?

I would love to go to bed, sadly not an option right now, however I'm not posting any further on this now, I've said my piece, and certainly consider neo-conservatism and far-right views such as yours pretty close to facism.

You have FAILED to demonstrate how my views are fascist, and you are exactly proving my point that you have no clue what fascism is and you're using it as a cool word to throw around to make me look bad. When confronted with WHY and HOW, you just say "I've said my piece" and imply you're right, everyone is wrong. Who is intolerant now?

Originally Posted by BBKing

I'm puzzled here. You're using Hitler's words to support your argument that you're not a fascist? I can't help feeling this rather undermines your position. Either you believe him which means you're extremely gullible or a Hitler supporter, or you don't believe them in which case why hell use them to support your argument?

I'll read the rest later. One or two interesting points raised.

BBKing, I'm using Hitler's own words how he described what nazism (fascism's brother) is. He implemented a Nazi state. Now I want you and others to explain how I fit into the beliefs, because as I pointed out, it is clearly the opposite of what I believe and quite similiar what socialists believe.

Originally Posted by Bifta

Because one day you might through no fault of your own end up poor too ... then you'll be glad of it.

Actually no. Charity, perhaps, not not forced charity by the government. That isn't charity, that is stealing. And I thought all of you have to pay this national insurance!

Originally Posted by downquark1

Just because some far right philosopher with a chip on her shoulder says it doesn't make it true, it is her rather unusual opinion. She may argue it, but I see countless flaws in her logic. By her definitions an absolute Monarchy would be left wing.

And as I've said several times over, BRING ARGUMENTS to support your point, and ARGUMENTS to counter my points. However, you keep falling into this hole of attacking the author.

Second, I believe I've also quoted Hitler, a man who implemented Nazism, and I've also quoted the goals of Nazism.

Now bring some arguments to the table.

Originally Posted by downquark1

So let me get this straight, you support the dog eat dog, survival of the fittest, right wing capitalism, yet reject evolution (the same principles).

Please clearly explain how you relate right-wing capitalism to evolution.

One is a theory to explain the origins of the universe, the other is an economic and social model of individual freedom.

They are not related.

Originally Posted by downquark1

You are orthodox Christian, yet reject the unconditional love of Jesus Christ.

Please explain this too.

Originally Posted by downquark1

You support the American constitution yet believe religion should influence the government

Please provide a citation where I said this.

I do believe I've said I should be allowed to have religion form my opinion. I never said the government and church should marry.

Originally Posted by waddy

You are aware that carbon dating isn`t used to date rocks?

Well my apologies. I should have said radiometric dating.

Originally Posted by scastle

Now, you yourself have admitted to being right wing (although not extreme), and sometimes come across as being intolerant. Maybe thats what Justanothernoob meant

Fascinating. Yes I'm aware some dictionaries love to apply right-wing to fascism and nazism, but please, bring ARGUMENTS TO THE TABLE.. I have supplied ample evidence. Just saying "because they said so" isn't enough. EXPLAIN to me how fascism is right-wing, and I guarantee you if you can do that, I'll change my mind.

Originally Posted by scastle

I find it interesting that people (not aimed at you in particular Jerrek) are willing to accept the Bible as proof (and let's face it, the bible could be fictional), but dismiss Evolution as unproven.

Then by all means!!!! Present the proof here and I will believe it! PLEASE!

Originally Posted by Nor

Like many, you call for absolute proof of evolution, but are happy to believe as Gospel words in a book written 2000 years ago with tales of magic and gods. Its faith I guess that makes the difference.

I have more faith in science myself.

Aaah, excellent point! And I prefer to put my faith in God rather than humanity.

Originally Posted by downquark1

Jerrek doesn't except definitions from the oxford dictionary (or dictionary.com) he says they are left wing biased.

I'm not accepting it, because, it doesn't make sense. All I'm asking for is an explanation. That is all.



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Originally Posted by downquark1

The theory makes perfect logical sense:

Random mutations that can be inherited (science has proved this bit)

Please provide me with proof of this. I do not believe you.






All I'm asking for is clarification how and why you put fascism on the right (not just a definition from some dictionary), and, conclusive proof of evolution.