Guys Guys Guys ...
Do we always have to resort to personal attacks in the religous threads.
Russ/Graham, you're rapidly winding each other up, and mis interperating what each other is saying .... in many ways you're both right in what you say .. but I ask politely that you take a step back from your anger and consider the others point of view.
Religion has a LOT to answer for on many levels, but many find solice within it, many don't too. There are fanatics who believe what they do is done within the auspices of their 'Lord'.
Religion and faith can be seen different ways by different people, in can mean many things to many people. Being a Christian is no different to being a Muslim etc etc ... at the end of the day we are still people.
I have watched the religious threads on here turn this way time and time again .... please remember it is not each other, or your personal beliefs that you should be discussing ... as that's personal, but the general state and way in which some see it.
Russ, you defend YOUR belief well, but it's yours ... not necessarily the view shared by others ....
Tolerance please and play nice