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Originally Posted by Russ D
One thing I learned from being an NTL associate and an admin on .com is that no matter what happens, NTL will do what NTL wants to do, irregardless of what evidence or ideas are placed before them. Oh yeah, they'll invite you to meetings, they'll feign interest in what you have to say but if for one moment you believe that your (this is not aimed at anyone in particular) ideas or proposals will make one iota of difference to NTL then you are very much mistaken. NTL will only listen to other ideas when it suits them, and that simply isn't very often.
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With respect Russ that just sounds like 'if a first you do not sucseed - give up'.
Maybe NTL will not listen. Maybe they will BS you. Does that mean that users should not keep on trying to get them to address their issues jointly and directly?
Sure NTL will do what NTL wants - do users do any different? The whole objective is to try and find win - win senarios and convince the right people of the case. If you get fobbed off - keep trying. If they BS, you respond not in kind but with ever more reasoned and refined arguments. Keep on trying. That way you have a chance, however small, of effecting change. Decide that there is no point - attack NTL at any opportunity - slate any attempt NTL makes to interact with it's users unless it's on your terms - and you have no chance imo of effecting change.