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Anonymouse 06-08-2025 16:34

Constructive Paranoia
 
To be a good little boy I'm applying for jobs...and knowingly shooting myself in the foot by telling them of my current poor state of health. But I honestly believe I should, as per H & S legislation - if I tell 'em in the cover letter, they take me on and something happens owing to said condition, I'm legally covered. I can readily prove this because jobsites keep a copy of each application. If I tell them beforehand - and if I can prove it - that puts the ball in their court.

I applied for a iob with an agency (not naming them yet, if at all). They require me to register. Fair enough. But then they ask me to upload my passport details. I'm just about to when sense kicks in. Under the Data Protection Act they're entitled to info they need. As far as I can see they only need name and address - the employer, in the unlikely event I get that far, might need my passport as proof of my right to work in the UK, but I don't see why an agency does.

Here's the constructive paranoia: supposedly my details are being passed to a secure service. First, how do I know it's secure? Second, how do I know I didn't get the email from an AI? (Okay, how do they know I'm not an AI?) Sending off my passport details just to register with a bloody agency seems a bit much.

This is (supposedly) to keep in line with government legislation. Sorry, but they're constantly proving we can't trust them, so I'm not inclined to trust their legislation.

Is this in fact paranoia? Or am I right to be cautious?

Chris 06-08-2025 16:52

Re: Constructive Paranoia
 
You won’t get a job with any job agency if you’re not prepared to prove you’re eligible to work in the UK. It doesn’t have to be a passport, it can be a driving licence, provided it’s a photocard one. If you don’t have any photographic ID there are other more complicated ways of proving who you are.

The penalties levied against employers who give work to people who are not entitled to work in the UK have become severe. They aren’t going to take any chances.

papa smurf 06-08-2025 17:04

Re: Constructive Paranoia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36200555)
You won’t get a job with any job agency if you’re not prepared to prove you’re eligible to work in the UK. It doesn’t have to be a passport, it can be a driving licence, provided it’s a photocard one. If you don’t have any photographic ID there are other more complicated ways of proving who you are.

The penalties levied against employers who give work to people who are not entitled to work in the UK have become severe. They aren’t going to take any chances.

A letter from your mum :erm:

Carth 07-08-2025 00:38

Re: Constructive Paranoia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36200556)
A letter from your mum :erm:

In Welsh would be quite funny, how could they reject it :D

Anonymouse 07-08-2025 03:49

Re: Constructive Paranoia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36200555)
You won’t get a job with any job agency if you’re not prepared to prove you’re eligible to work in the UK. It doesn’t have to be a passport, it can be a driving licence, provided it’s a photocard one. If you don’t have any photographic ID there are other more complicated ways of proving who you are.

The penalties levied against employers who give work to people who are not entitled to work in the UK have become severe. They aren’t going to take any chances.

All true. But that doesn't answer my questions. I'm not being uncooperative - I will register...if I'm convinced my data will be secure. I am not so convinced. ATM I have no assurance whatsoever.

Mr K 07-08-2025 07:33

Re: Constructive Paranoia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 36200576)
All true. But that doesn't answer my questions. I'm not being uncooperative - I will register...if I'm convinced my data will be secure. I am not so convinced. ATM I have no assurance whatsoever.

Tell it to your DWP work coach. See what they say ;)

nomadking 07-08-2025 09:07

Re: Constructive Paranoia
 
Looks like it's a legal requirement for employment agencies to do the checks, although the employer has to do their own checks.
Quote:

you cannot establish a statutory excuse if the check is performed by a third party, such as a recruitment agency or your professional adviser.
A driving licence is NOT suitable.
List of suitable documents to use.

Carth 07-08-2025 10:42

Re: Constructive Paranoia
 
I don't think there's much you can do now without needing 37 different forms of identity, makes we wonder how the criminal element survive and thrive in this crazy upside down country.

Apply to be a forger mate, there's probably loads of work out there if you can get in to it ;)

Chris 07-08-2025 11:06

Re: Constructive Paranoia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36200579)
Looks like it's a legal requirement for employment agencies to do the checks, although the employer has to do their own checks.

A driving licence is NOT suitable.
List of suitable documents to use.

Aah … it seems that photo ID is not what they’re after per se, but rather a clear statement of your right to work, which citizenship affords. You have a statement of citizenship on a passport but not a driving licence even if the licence has a photo.

The alternative for those without a passport is a birth certificate plus a document with an NI number on it.


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