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pip08456

26-10-2023 17:34

Nightshade: A fight against AI

Artists can now fightback against AI companies scraping images from the web without consent and no payment of royalties.

Nightshade poisons the image and can change the behaviour of AI in interpreting images, for instance changing a car into a cow!

More info here: https://www.technologyreview.com/202...generative-ai/

joglynne

26-10-2023 17:48

Re: Nightshade: A fight against AI

Interesting link. :tu:

Dude111

01-01-2024 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456

Nightshade poisons the image and can change the behaviour of AI in interpreting images, for instance changing a car into a cow!

I like hearing this!!!!!

Anything that me$$es up this stuff is grand but I reckon they will find a way around it....

Paul	02-01-2024 00:53

Re: Nightshade: A fight against AI

Hmmm.

If you put images on the internet, with unrestricted access to them, why complain that people then use them.

Dude111

02-01-2024 05:29

Thats a good point mate but this is AI we are talking about.......... (It NEEDS to be absorbed)

Paul	02-01-2024 19:42

Re: Nightshade: A fight against AI

Why does "its AI" matter ?

mrmistoffelees

02-01-2024 20:21

Re: Nightshade: A fight against AI

There are much bigger concerns in the realms of AI/ML than this, especially as we move ever closer to quantum computing

tweetiepooh

03-01-2024 12:25

Re: Nightshade: A fight against AI

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36167633)

Hmmm.

If you put images on the internet, with unrestricted access to them, why complain that people then use them.

Use can be defined in various ways. If a "system" scapes an image and then uses it outside of the intended rights who do you prosecute if that "system" is a computer programme doing "it's own thing". True it's been programmed but if it's an AI that is "learning" without specifics...?

mrmistoffelees

03-01-2024 13:04

Re: Nightshade: A fight against AI

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36167697)

They use training models the parameters of which are provided by developers

Paul	03-01-2024 14:47

Re: Nightshade: A fight against AI

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36167697)

If you put an image up, without any access control, then there is no such thing as "intended rights". Its available for anyone to use as they want, and no one to "prosecute".

Dude111

03-01-2024 20:42

Ya I guess ya do have a big point Paul!

tweetiepooh

04-01-2024 16:10

Re: Nightshade: A fight against AI

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36167706)

If you put an image up, without any access control, then there is no such thing as "intended rights". Its available for anyone to use as they want, and no one to "prosecute".

Surely you can publish an image with a restrictive Creative Commons license. The fact that there is no login or "protection" doesn't mean that you can use the image however you want. If you buy a printed book, you can't legally copy huge chunks of it and do what you like.

Hugh	04-01-2024 16:15

Re: Nightshade: A fight against AI

Good (imho) summary of the case here.

https://copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.co...-web-scraping/

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