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Chris 20-04-2021 22:08
George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Derek Chauvin is going down for ....

involuntary homicide
3rd degree murder
Manslaughter

So that’s guilty on all counts.

Damien 20-04-2021 22:09
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
On every count. Sounded like it when the jury came to its decision so fast.

Paul 20-04-2021 23:50
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Wow, who would have thought that a jury under the eyes of the whole world, all expecting a guilty verdict, would actually return "Guilty" - shocking ;)

Hugh 21-04-2021 00:25
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Especially when there was video of him kneeling on the guy’s neck for over 9 minutes, surrounded by people shouting "you’re killing him!"...

Mick 21-04-2021 01:25
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
However, the Judge gave a scathing attack on Democrats who have perhaps jeopardised this case by jury influencing and threatening an uprising in the Streets, if a guilty verdict wasn’t forthcoming. The Democrat Congresswoman in question, is Maxine Waters.

Hours earlier, sleepy Joe Biden had also weighed in the case before the Jury had even passed a verdict, absolute shocking abuse of power, is why the Judge correctly and publicly rebuked opinions from “elected officials” to stay out of the Judicial lane.

Damien 21-04-2021 07:08
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
The Democrats, Biden and Waters(?) especially, were very stupid. Waters especially was risking a mistrial. Politicians really need to shut up on ongoing cases.

Still given what we know about the case it did seem a likely verdict and the Jury didn't take long to reach it either. As Hugh said there is a video of it happening and critically whilst the defence was able to say drugs and heart problems 'played a role' the medical examiner made it clear it wasn't the cause of death. That he died from lax of oxygen.

nomadking 21-04-2021 09:43
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
And how exactly would any sort of pressure to ONE side of the neck obstruct the flow of oxygen? Eg A choke-hold requires BOTH sides to be compressed. No shortage of cases of deaths from around the WORLD, of positional asphyxia where pressure WASN'T applied to the neck. A key aspect in those cases is that the person was still struggling and resisting restraint/arrest, just as Floyd was doing.
How else do you restrict the movement of the upper body and head of somebody who is agitated and likely to injure themselves, while NOT restricting movement of the chest? He did a lot of talking, which involves BREATHING, for somebody who supposedly couldn't breathe.
The procedure in the UK for somebody who is severely agitated and likely to injure themselves whilst in a police vehicle, is to remove them and restrain them, which is just what happened.
Why do they all insist that if they struggle, they then should be released? They certainly are going to do so now.
If he hadn't resisted being removed from his vehicle, being put into the police vehicle, being in the police vehicle, and being restrained outside the police vehicle, then he would be alive. HIS CHOICE.

Hom3r 21-04-2021 09:59
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Expect an appeal with in days.

But the ex-cop is like a new puppy sitting next to a fresh pile of poo.

Stuart 21-04-2021 10:56
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36077461)
The Democrats, Biden and Waters(?) especially, were very stupid. Waters especially was risking a mistrial. Politicians really need to shut up on ongoing cases.

Still given what we know about the case it did seem a likely verdict and the Jury didn't take long to reach it either. As Hugh said there is a video of it happening and critically whilst the defence was able to say drugs and heart problems 'played a role' the medical examiner made it clear it wasn't the cause of death. That he died from lax of oxygen.
While I generally think politicians from any party should stay out of trials, as any publicity runs the risk of influencing the jury, it is important to point out that (under American law at least), a mistrial does not mean the defendant goes free. The Prosecutor is free ask for a retrial, but they can also chose not to.

So, a mistrial would waste time, and cost a lot of money (both good reasons to avoid it), but it doesn't necessarily let the defendant off.

daveeb 21-04-2021 14:03
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36077473)
And how exactly would any sort of pressure to ONE side of the neck obstruct the flow of oxygen? Eg A choke-hold requires BOTH sides to be compressed. No shortage of cases of deaths from around the WORLD, of positional asphyxia where pressure WASN'T applied to the neck. A key aspect in those cases is that the person was still struggling and resisting restraint/arrest, just as Floyd was doing.
How else do you restrict the movement of the upper body and head of somebody who is agitated and likely to injure themselves, while NOT restricting movement of the chest? He did a lot of talking, which involves BREATHING, for somebody who supposedly couldn't breathe.
The procedure in the UK for somebody who is severely agitated and likely to injure themselves whilst in a police vehicle, is to remove them and restrain them, which is just what happened.
Why do they all insist that if they struggle, they then should be released? They certainly are going to do so now.
If he hadn't resisted being removed from his vehicle, being put into the police vehicle, being in the police vehicle, and being restrained outside the police vehicle, then he would be alive. HIS CHOICE.
The other side of his neck was in contact with the ground. In addition his chest was being compressed so he couldn't breathe in properly. And you can speak without being able to breathe, you just exhale a bit more air.
He died from asphyxia, so he clearly couldn't breathe. Not HIS CHOICE.

Pierre 21-04-2021 16:25
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
It was never going to be anything else.

nomadking 21-04-2021 16:35
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36077504)
The other side of his neck was in contact with the ground. In addition his chest was being compressed so he couldn't breathe in properly. And you can speak without being able to breathe, you just exhale a bit more air.
He died from asphyxia, so he clearly couldn't breathe. Not HIS CHOICE.
But any pressure to his chest WASN'T blamed for anything. As I pointed out it is ALWAYS pressure to the chest that is the cause in other cases. He "exhaled a bit more air" a couple of dozen times. You can't do that without inhaling at some point. He was able to lift his head AND neck at times. The pressure that was blamed was to the SIDE of his neck, not to his throat.
What happened is NO different to what happens around the World, when somebody decides to be awkward and aggressive, and has to be restrained. How it turns out depends on whether the person actually calms down and stops struggling and being awkward and aggressive.

Chris 21-04-2021 16:38
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36077473)
And how exactly would any sort of pressure to ONE side of the neck obstruct the flow of oxygen? Eg A choke-hold requires BOTH sides to be compressed. No shortage of cases of deaths from around the WORLD, of positional asphyxia where pressure WASN'T applied to the neck. A key aspect in those cases is that the person was still struggling and resisting restraint/arrest, just as Floyd was doing.
How else do you restrict the movement of the upper body and head of somebody who is agitated and likely to injure themselves, while NOT restricting movement of the chest? He did a lot of talking, which involves BREATHING, for somebody who supposedly couldn't breathe.
The procedure in the UK for somebody who is severely agitated and likely to injure themselves whilst in a police vehicle, is to remove them and restrain them, which is just what happened.
Why do they all insist that if they struggle, they then should be released? They certainly are going to do so now.
If he hadn't resisted being removed from his vehicle, being put into the police vehicle, being in the police vehicle, and being restrained outside the police vehicle, then he would be alive. HIS CHOICE.
This is the most astonishing pile of wilful ignorance I've read in a long time.

Maggy 21-04-2021 17:04
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36077534)
This is the most astonishing pile of wilful ignorance I've read in a long time.
Totally agree.Well said that man.:D

mrmistoffelees 22-04-2021 08:31
Re: George Floyd trial: guilty verdict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36077473)
And how exactly would any sort of pressure to ONE side of the neck obstruct the flow of oxygen? Eg A choke-hold requires BOTH sides to be compressed. No shortage of cases of deaths from around the WORLD, of positional asphyxia where pressure WASN'T applied to the neck. A key aspect in those cases is that the person was still struggling and resisting restraint/arrest, just as Floyd was doing.
How else do you restrict the movement of the upper body and head of somebody who is agitated and likely to injure themselves, while NOT restricting movement of the chest? He did a lot of talking, which involves BREATHING, for somebody who supposedly couldn't breathe.
The procedure in the UK for somebody who is severely agitated and likely to injure themselves whilst in a police vehicle, is to remove them and restrain them, which is just what happened.
Why do they all insist that if they struggle, they then should be released? They certainly are going to do so now.
If he hadn't resisted being removed from his vehicle, being put into the police vehicle, being in the police vehicle, and being restrained outside the police vehicle, then he would be alive. HIS CHOICE.
Resisting arrest does not allow an arresting officer to use whatever force or tactics they choose to subdue someone. There are multiple approved techniques for restraining people, This isn't one of them.


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