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RichardCoulter 21-11-2015 03:03

Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
This article refers to BT TV, but the removal of the 'Wholesale Must Offer Obligation' affects all competitors to Sky:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...aps-rules.html

denphone 21-11-2015 06:12

re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Nothing will happen for several years as Virgin and Sky signed a contract a while back but when it ends then one suspects prices could rise quite a bit.....

RichardCoulter 21-11-2015 17:38

re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Good job that VM had the foresight to sign a contract.

denphone 21-11-2015 18:25

re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Its what might happen when the contract ends which will be interesting to see.

muppetman11 21-11-2015 18:49

re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35809175)
Its what might happen when the contract ends which will be interesting to see.

Probably exactly the same as now , it's a completely different market now with the launch of BT Sport.

It's all about viewers and keeping people interested in subscribing , Sky Sports need VM just as VM need Sky Sports

nialli 22-11-2015 00:15

re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35809084)
This article refers to BT TV, but the removal of the 'Wholesale Must Offer Obligation' affects all competitors to Sky:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...aps-rules.html

This thread's title is incorrect and misleading. Ofcom's press release on the ruling quite clearly says that

"The only supply arrangement for Sky Sports 1 and 2 under Ofcom's wholesale must-offer regulation is with BT for its YouView service." http://media.ofcom.org.uk/news/2015/wmo-statement/

So the ruling has nothing to do with Virgin's carriage terms for Sky Sports, which includes not just Sky Sports 1 and 2 but 3, 4, 5 and F1 too, all in HD

neilo 22-11-2015 05:45

re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Brilliantly dramatic headline.

Anypermitedroute 22-11-2015 08:18

re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neilo (Post 35809249)
Brilliantly dramatic headline.

Well it's not like he hasn't had previous of being over dramatic or overstating the truth:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

arcimedes 22-11-2015 09:41

re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nialli (Post 35809225)
This thread's title is incorrect and misleading. Ofcom's press release on the ruling quite clearly says that

"The only supply arrangement for Sky Sports 1 and 2 under Ofcom's wholesale must-offer regulation is with BT for its YouView service." http://media.ofcom.org.uk/news/2015/wmo-statement/

So the ruling has nothing to do with Virgin's carriage terms for Sky Sports, which includes not just Sky Sports 1 and 2 but 3, 4, 5 and F1 too, all in HD

Not quite true. If you read the Ofcom statement you will find that various appeals are still on going. Virgin is entitled to use the must-offer regulation, it just happens not to as its in Sky's interest to continue to supply all sports to them and others.

Stephen 22-11-2015 11:20

Re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
fixed the thread title slightly.

nodrogd 22-11-2015 12:34

Re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
One of the reasons Sky relented & added the previously exclusive HD channels to VM's sports offering was due in part to them losing sports subscribers to BT.

RichardCoulter 23-11-2015 03:57

Re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
I'm
Quote:

Originally Posted by nialli (Post 35809225)
This thread's title is incorrect and misleading. Ofcom's press release on the ruling quite clearly says that

"The only supply arrangement for Sky Sports 1 and 2 under Ofcom's wholesale must-offer regulation is with BT for its YouView service." http://media.ofcom.org.uk/news/2015/wmo-statement/

So the ruling has nothing to do with Virgin's carriage terms for Sky Sports, which includes not just Sky Sports 1 and 2 but 3, 4, 5 and F1 too, all in HD

Nope, VM will lose the right to carry Sky Sports 1 and 2 when their carriage agreement ends.

Carriage beyond this will be subject to normal commercial negotiation. VM can no longer use the must offer ruling and associated rate card for the fees.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcimedes (Post 35809254)
Not quite true. If you read the Ofcom statement you will find that various appeals are still on going. Virgin is entitled to use the must-offer regulation, it just happens not to as its in Sky's interest to continue to supply all sports to them and others.

Exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nodrogd (Post 35809268)
One of the reasons Sky relented & added the previously exclusive HD channels to VM's sports offering was due in part to them losing sports subscribers to BT.

I wonder if the sale of the VM channels to Sky played any part too.

---------- Post added at 02:57 ---------- Previous post was at 02:54 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute (Post 35809251)
Well it's not like he hasn't had previous of being over dramatic or overstating the truth:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Examples of your allegation would be useful, as would a more polite posting style in general.

nialli 23-11-2015 09:05

Re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35809388)

Nope, VM will lose the right to carry Sky Sports 1 and 2 when their carriage agreement ends.

And you know this for certain? Of course you don't. The current Sky carriage deal with Virgin was renewed last year and runs until 2019 (http://gu.com/p/3p679?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other).
Virgin Media is not a threat to Sky's TV content business and, with the exception of the withholding of Sky Atlantic, is its biggest customer in the wholesaling game. Why would Sky not extend existing and profitable agreements that add an audience of 4m homes to their core market? Sky makes more out of each VM Sky Sports subscriber than VM.
BT is different, a threat to Sky because it challenges them on those critical sports rights, pushing up the price at each negotiation and, with the Champions League, winning outright. Virgin is a commercial partner for Sky, BT a commercial threat.

spiderplant 23-11-2015 11:39

Re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nialli (Post 35809394)
And you know this for certain? Of course you don't.

Richard is technically correct that VM will lose the right to carry these channels. But VM have never used that right anyway - they have always negotiated separately for Sky content.

Move along, nothing to see here...

nialli 23-11-2015 12:00

Re: Could Virgin lose the right to offer Sky Sports 1 & 2?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35809401)
Richard is technically correct that VM will lose the right to carry these channels. But VM have never used that right anyway - they have always negotiated separately for Sky content.

Move along, nothing to see here...

Agreed. Glad to see the moderator has retitled the thread - no point in alarmist headlines when the current contract has four more years to run.


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