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Taf 09-12-2014 16:10
Child rapist released...
 
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A child rapist has been released after the UK's top judge said it would be "unlawful" to keep him locked up.
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Jeffrey Charles Goodwyn, 48, was given an indeterminate sentence in 2012 for indecently assaulting a seven-year-old girl eight or more years earlier.

He already had a previous conviction for raping a nine-year-old child.
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NSPCC Wales head of service Des Mannion said: "It is extremely frightening that a child rapist described as 'very dangerous' and unrepentant has been released back in to the community due to what seems like a legal technicality surrounding the timing of the offence."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-30396520

Even the judge says he is very dangerous!!! :mad:

solitaire 09-12-2014 16:23
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Yet another perfect example of why people despair of the useless justice system we have in this country.

Chris 09-12-2014 16:45
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Originally Posted by solitaire (Post 35745841)
Yet another perfect example of why people despair of the useless justice system we have in this country.
To be fair, the justice system does allow for people committing crimes like this, here and now, to be jailed indeterminately for the public safety. What it doesn't do is allow courts to convict people of things that weren't a crime when they did them, or to punish them with punishments that weren't available when they did them.

From time to time, especially when the law has recently changed, that throws up extremely unfortunate anomalies like this. But on the whole, it is more civilised not to shift the goalposts when it comes to crime and punishment. That way lies arbitrary and retrospective state victimisation.

Nevertheless, in this situation I can only hope that the local police, wherever this bloke ends up, are able to make up for the deficiencies that existed in the law prior to 2005, by watching him very closely indeed in 2014.

techguyone 09-12-2014 18:04
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I agree entirely with Chris on this

Taf 09-12-2014 19:21
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But it still means he only served about 2 years for offences against the 7 year old. :confused:

ianch99 09-12-2014 20:16
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35745844)
To be fair, the justice system does allow for people committing crimes like this, here and now, to be jailed indeterminately for the public safety. What it doesn't do is allow courts to convict people of things that weren't a crime when they did them, or to punish them with punishments that weren't available when they did them.

From time to time, especially when the law has recently changed, that throws up extremely unfortunate anomalies like this. But on the whole, it is more civilised not to shift the goalposts when it comes to crime and punishment. That way lies arbitrary and retrospective state victimisation.

Nevertheless, in this situation I can only hope that the local police, wherever this bloke ends up, are able to make up for the deficiencies that existed in the law prior to 2005, by watching him very closely indeed in 2014.
My concern is that with the drastic cuts in public services especially the Police, these are the sort of individuals that will slip through the net and be able to commit new crimes.

Chris 09-12-2014 21:46
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35745866)
But it still means he only served about 2 years for offences against the 7 year old. :confused:
Because that was the sentence available for the crime, at the time he committed it. Without having looked at it in detail, I'm guessing he has probably had the equivalent a 4 year sentence with automatic early release.

MalteseFalcon 09-12-2014 22:08
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And yet again the justice system shows why it is an ass.

nomadking 09-12-2014 22:31
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35745874)
My concern is that with the drastic cuts in public services especially the Police, these are the sort of individuals that will slip through the net and be able to commit new crimes.
How come? Do you expect him to be under observation 365/24/7?

ianch99 10-12-2014 00:17
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35745920)
How come? Do you expect him to be under observation 365/24/7?
How come what?

Damien 10-12-2014 00:24
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35745903)
Because that was the sentence available for the crime, at the time he committed it. Without having looked at it in detail, I'm guessing he has probably had the equivalent a 4 year sentence with automatic early release.
The way I read it he was incorrectly given a indeterminate sentence for a crime which, at the time it was committed, was not eligible for that type of sentence. As a result it's been overturned as a legal obligation.

nomadking 10-12-2014 00:27
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35745931)
How come what?
You were complaining that the police etc wouldn't be able to stop him committing another crime. The ONLY way to stop him, apart from the obvious of locking him up, would be 24hr surveillance. A probation officer visiting once every 4 months isn't going to make a difference.

Chris 10-12-2014 09:06
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35745932)
The way I read it he was incorrectly given a indeterminate sentence for a crime which, at the time it was committed, was not eligible for that type of sentence. As a result it's been overturned as a legal obligation.
Correct - however AFAIK had he not served an appropriate length of time under the law as it was, he could have been made to remain in jail today. He has been released because, the indeterminate sentence being unlawful, it had to be replaced with one that *was* lawful. And the lawful sentence for the crime he committed, under the law as it was at the time he committed it, was around 4 years. Under our current early release/probation rules, that equates to 2 years behind bars, then supervision by the probation service afterwards.

ianch99 10-12-2014 10:04
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35745933)
You were complaining that the police etc wouldn't be able to stop him committing another crime. The ONLY way to stop him, apart from the obvious of locking him up, would be 24hr surveillance. A probation officer visiting once every 4 months isn't going to make a difference.
Not quite correct, I was saying that with a lot less police on the front line the chances of a criminal intent on re-offending and getting away with it is higher.

If you cut front line policing, you have fewer officers patrolling, fewer officers visiting schools to advise children on the dangers of people like this criminal, fewer officers able to respond to calls for help, etc.

Here's a couple of the many recent articles on police cuts:

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-1...unsustainable/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-30333435

nomadking 10-12-2014 10:45
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How many police officers would there have to be on patrol, in order to catch him about to commit another offence? It's impossible.


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