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Sirius 04-02-2013 15:58
Child Benefit: £1m A Week For Children Abroad
 
So you have to ask the question is this true and if it is WHY

This another reason we need to look at why we are being forced in to this by the EU

http://news.sky.com/story/1047093/ch...hildren-abroad

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Tens of thousands of children who live abroad but receive benefits claimed by immigrant families in Britain are costing British taxpayers more than £1m a week, campaigners claim.

The research by Migration Watch UK comes after the Government admitted just under 30,000 families are claiming benefits and tax credit for 50,000 children who live outside the UK but within the European Union (EU), as well as Iceland and Norway.
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"At a time that UK taxpayers are being asked to tighten their belts, the Government is paying out over £1m per week to support children in other countries where costs are, in any case, often much lower.

"The majority of EU countries have the good sense to ensure that the child in question must be resident in that country in order to qualify and it is about time the UK did the same."

Poland is home to the highest number of children in the region who are receiving benefits claimed in the UK, with more than half the total, 25,659, receiving welfare.
If this is true and we have to pay this because of the EU it makes me sick and is yet another reason i see for us getting to hell out of the EU.

Our money should go to our kids not some family in Poland for instance.

This is the reason people detest the EU and the rules they force on us.

denphone 04-02-2013 16:16
Re: Child Benefit: £1m A Week For Children Abroad
 
l absolutely agree with you one 100% as this is just another thing where money is going abroad while some of our own struggle in poverty.

Taf 04-02-2013 16:28
Re: Child Benefit: £1m A Week For Children Abroad
 
Money earned or received in this country, that is not spent in this country, just makes our situation worse.

danielf 04-02-2013 16:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35531785)
So you have to ask the question is this true and if it is WHY

This another reason we need to look at why we are being forced in to this by the EU

http://news.sky.com/story/1047093/ch...hildren-abroad


If this is true and we have to pay this because of the EU it makes me sick and is yet another reason i see for us getting to hell out of the EU.

Our money should go to our kids not some family in Poland for instance.

This is the reason people detest the EU and the rules they force on us.
As you posted:

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"The majority of EU countries have the good sense to ensure that the child in question must be resident in that country in order to qualify and it is about time the UK did the same."
If other EU countries can make sure that children must be resident, than the EU hasn't forced the rule upon the UK. Perhaps the UK should simply take appropriate steps as other countries have.

Sirius 04-02-2013 16:46
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35531805)
As you posted:



If other EU countries can make sure that children must be resident, than the EU hasn't forced the rule upon the UK. Perhaps the UK should simply take appropriate steps as other countries have.

Additionaly

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Migration Watch calculated that child benefits paid to 40,171 children living overseas costs the UK £36.6m per year and child tax credit costs £18.6m per year.

The UK, Czech Republic, Germany, Latvia and the Netherlands allow child benefit to be paid for children who live elsewhere in the EU.

The original figures were disclosed by Treasury minister Sajid Javid in a written answer to Keith Vaz, chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee.

The data will add to concerns about the impact of an expected wave of immigration from Romania and Bulgaria when temporary controls lapse at the end of the year.

Last week, a HMRC spokeswoman said EU rules allow EEA nationals to claim child benefit if they meet the relevant conditions and pay compulsory national insurance contributions.


Shocking

This is the hails take on it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2Jwx6Zrf2

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Treasury Minister Sajid Javid said Britain was obliged to pay child tax benefit and child tax credit under EU regulations.

Osem 04-02-2013 16:53
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Sadly it's often our rules, practices and enforcement (or lack of) which is absurd. This ridiculous non resident CB thing has been going on for years and I've posted about it here before as it can amount to a hell of a lot of money in Poland and is bound to be open to abuse.

I recently saw a TV documentary in which a Nigerian guy in his late 20's/30's was picked up at Heathrow trying to get into the UK with a dodgy passport. When questioned he then started insisting he was 15 and that he'd fled Nigeria after his parents were killed by bandits. Despite the forged document and obvious lies about his age he was admitted into the 'care of social services' for age testing and a potential asylum claim whereupon he simply absconded. If it wasn't so absurdly predictable it'd be funny. The lunatics have taken over the asylum!...

danielf 04-02-2013 16:55
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Sorry, but it's not clear to me why other countries can arrange for child benefits to be paid only for resident children, and the UK can't. Is it the fact that the UK has compulsory NI contributions that sets it apart from other countries in this respect?

martyh 04-02-2013 16:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35531805)
As you posted:



If other EU countries can make sure that children must be resident, than the EU hasn't forced the rule upon the UK. Perhaps the UK should simply take appropriate steps as other countries have.
It may be the case that we are the only ones complying with the EU regs

Sirius 04-02-2013 17:02
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35531812)
Sadly it's often our rules, practices and enforcement (or lack of) which is absurd. This ridiculous non resident CB thing has been going on for years and I've posted about it here before as it can amount to a hell of a lot of money in Poland and is bound to be open to abuse.

I recently saw a TV documentary in which a Nigerian guy in his late 20's/30's was picked up at Heathrow trying to get into the UK with a dodgy passport. When questioned he then started insisting he was 15 and that he'd fled Nigeria after his parents were killed by bandits. Despite the forged document and obvious lies about his age he was admitted into the 'care of social services' for age testing and a potential asylum claim whereupon he simply absconded. If it wasn't so absurdly predictable it'd be funny. The lunatics have taken over the asylum!...
No the EU is the Asylum and we are forced to be part of it.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35531816)
It may be the case that we are the only ones complying with the EU regs
Maybe its because the EU watch us like a hawk :erm:

martyh 04-02-2013 17:04
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35531819)




Maybe its because the EU watch us like a hawk :erm:
No ,it's because we take the moral high ground and comply fully with all the regs ,we're skint but very moral ;)

Sirius 04-02-2013 17:12
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35531824)
No ,it's because we take the moral high ground and comply fully with all the regs ,we're skint but very moral ;)
Sorry were not taking the moral high ground we are being stupid and not telling these people to **** off your not getting the benefit if your kids are not in this country. So i have yet another reason to add to my decision to get us out if we have a referendum. In or out i say ~OUT

martyh 04-02-2013 17:19
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35531828)
Sorry were not taking the moral high ground we are being stupid and not telling these people to **** off your not getting the benefit if your kids are not in this country. So i have yet another reason to add to my decision to get us out if we have a referendum. In or out i say ~OUT
You're preaching to the converted mate ,i know it's wrong and stupid ,it's the politicians that want to be all moral with our money and stick blindly to regs everyone else seems to be ignoring

Sirius 04-02-2013 17:38
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Agreed, however if we just mind our own business and don't champion the reasons for leaving the EU then those with a vested interest in keeping us in will win.

martyh 04-02-2013 17:49
Re: Child Benefit: £1m A Week For Children Abroad
 
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35531814)
Sorry, but it's not clear to me why other countries can arrange for child benefits to be paid only for resident children, and the UK can't. Is it the fact that the UK has compulsory NI contributions that sets it apart from other countries in this respect?
I didn't think that CB was reliant NI contributions so it shouldn't be that, other than that i have no idea why we have to pay CB to other countries children ,there must be some obscure piece of EU legislation that says we must and presumably that same rule applies to all members ,it's just that other members may choose to ignore it for the idiocy it is .

Question ,are we the only EU country that has CB ?

danielf 04-02-2013 17:53
Re: Child Benefit: £1m A Week For Children Abroad
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35531856)
I didn't think that CB was reliant NI contributions so it shouldn't be that, other than that i have no idea why we have to pay CB to other countries children ,there must be some obscure piece of EU legislation that says we must and presumably that same rule applies to all members ,it's just that other members may choose to ignore it for the idiocy it is .

Question ,are we the only EU country that has CB ?
I do think it's something to do with the compulsory nature of NI. And we're not the only country to have CB. In fact we're not the only country to pay CB on non-resident children: Germany, The Netherlands, Latvia and Czech Republic do so as well.

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Last week, a HMRC spokeswoman said EU rules allow EEA nationals to claim child benefit if they meet the relevant conditions and pay compulsory national insurance contributions.
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The UK, Czech Republic, Germany, Latvia and the Netherlands allow child benefit to be paid for children who live elsewhere in the EU.


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