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Ignitionnet 28-03-2010 08:48

Christians Discriminated Against, Bishops Warn
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8591331.stm

I do actually see their point here. While not a religious man myself if we are to be as accommodating as reasonably possible of other faiths why do we at times seem so unable to accommodate Christianity and find issues suddenly where there previously where none?

It does strike me that there's a very clear disparity. I feel it's symptomatic of the relentless social engineering from one side of the political spectrum, so hopefully reversible when we are provided less authoritarian government.

More here.

ceedee 28-03-2010 11:23

Re: Christians Discriminated Against, Bishops Warn
 
"Social engineering"?
"Authoritarian"?
You've evidently forgotten the fear, prejudice and brutality preached by the Christian church over the centuries!

It's only the out of date, puritanical elements who are desperate to retain their fundamentalist ideas (like their anti-evolutionary US counterparts) against the tide of modern society. They seem to believe that it's their human right to proselytise their religious symbols to the rest of us whenever they fancy.

Get real: wear your 'man-on-a-stick' idol *inside* your shirt and educate your kids *before* the dreadful sex education teachers get a chance!

Kymmy 28-03-2010 11:27

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We seems to have gone full circle in 2000 years, I wonder when he start fearing being thrown to the lions???

I don't see any discrimination against Christians.. the cross banning was a blanket ban on all jewellery with star of davids being banned as well

Russ 28-03-2010 11:29

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Originally Posted by ceedee (Post 34989207)
"Social engineering"?
"Authoritarian"?
You've evidently forgotten the fear, prejudice and brutality preached by the Christian church over the centuries!

It's only the out of date, puritanical elements who are desperate to retain their fundamentalist ideas (like their anti-evolutionary US counterparts) against the tide of modern society. They seem to believe that it's their human right to proselytise their religious symbols to the rest of us whenever they fancy.

Get real: wear your 'man-on-a-stick' idol *inside* your shirt and educate your kids *before* the dreadful sex education teachers get a chance!

You seem to be just as narrow-minded and prejudice as the people you appear to despise.

Ignitionnet 28-03-2010 12:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ceedee (Post 34989207)
"Social engineering"?
"Authoritarian"?
You've evidently forgotten the fear, prejudice and brutality preached by the Christian church over the centuries!

This would be because I don't care about what happened 'over the centuries', I care about the present and the future as those are what I live in and will live in, and after I shuffle off this mortal coil what my daughter will live in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceedee (Post 34989207)
It's only the out of date, puritanical elements who are desperate to retain their fundamentalist ideas (like their anti-evolutionary US counterparts) against the tide of modern society. They seem to believe that it's their human right to proselytise their religious symbols to the rest of us whenever they fancy.

Get real: wear your 'man-on-a-stick' idol *inside* your shirt and educate your kids *before* the dreadful sex education teachers get a chance!

I very specifically said I am not a religious man. My issue lies with Christians being discriminated against relative to other religions. I personally could not care less if all religion disappeared tomorrow but what I do care about is that there is at very least a perception to prefer other religions over Christianity. Either equal rights to all of them or no rights at all, either works for me, not having one rule for Christians another for Muslims yet another for Sikhs, another for Jews, etc.

Xaccers 28-03-2010 12:58

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Last time I checked, there are 26 CoE bishops in the house of lords who have a full and active roll in the work of the upper house.
So surely if any legislation has gone through discriminating against christians, it's partly the CoE's fault for having incompetent bishops in the lords?

If those at Nicea plotting the future of christianity has any real foresight they'd have invented a scripture stating that christians must wear a symbol of their faith. They didn't, so any such symbol worn is just jewlery rather than a religious requirement so therefore it is not discrimination to have a dress code banning jewlery.

The CoE, like most organised religions, are concerned with bums on seats. Run out of them and you lose your legitimacy of existance.
It's how all religions die.

Gary L 28-03-2010 12:59

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I think with the crucifix they probably thought someone would burn to a crisp if they were not of the same religion.
I do believe they are more lenient towards any other religion other than Christianity. the thing that always is used against Christianity is that it's offensive.

Xaccers 28-03-2010 13:03

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34989264)
I think with the crucifix they probably thought someone would burn to a crisp if they were not of the same religion.
I do believe they are more lenient towards any other religion other than Christianity. the thing that always is used against Christianity is that it's offensive.

Pretty sure there was a teacher who was sacked because she refused to remove her veil. She wasn't a christian was she?

Gary L 28-03-2010 13:04

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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34989267)
Pretty sure there was a teacher who was sacked because she refused to remove her veil. She wasn't a christian was she?

I don't think she was.

martyh 28-03-2010 13:17

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[QUOTE=Xaccers;34989263]
If those at Nicea plotting the future of christianity has any real foresight they'd have invented a scripture stating that christians must wear a symbol of their faith. They didn't, so any such symbol worn is just jewlery rather than a religious requirement so therefore it is not discrimination to have a dress code banning jewlery.QUOTE]



good point ,with most religions i know they have compulsory items of clothing or jewelry but with the christian religion i can't think of anything that has to be worn to symbolise membership of that religion so is not included in any legislation

Xaccers 28-03-2010 13:18

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34989269)
I don't think she was.

Was sacking her lenient?

Gary L 28-03-2010 13:21

Re: Christians Discriminated Against, Bishops Warn
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34989272)
Was sacking her lenient?

No, because it could be anyone hidden under there.

Xaccers 28-03-2010 13:28

Re: Christians Discriminated Against, Bishops Warn
 
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34989275)
No, because it could be anyone hidden under there.

Yes, it could have been Hagrid cunningly hidden by a veil. So tempted to ask if you were suprised when you found out Superman was Clark Kent with his cunning glasses disguise :D

Anyway, she was sacked because she breached an agreement not to wear it in the class as it would affect her ability to teach the children.

Eitherway, a clear case of not being more lenient to a non-christian, as you've agreed.

Gary L 28-03-2010 13:31

Re: Christians Discriminated Against, Bishops Warn
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34989279)
Eitherway, a clear case of not being more lenient to a non-christian, as you've agreed.

Yes. I've agreed to one example where a non-christian didn't have any leniency. and everyone knew and trusted Superman :)


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