Pirate Party Uk
 

oooo arrrrr me hearties :D

http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/

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• End the excessive surveillance, profiling, tracking and monitoring of innocent people by Government and big businesses.

• Ensure that everyone has real freedom of speech and real freedom to enjoy and participate in our shared culture.


Love those.....but they need more than that.

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great site ill sure be bookmarking this :>

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From their "donations" page;

"In compliance with party funding laws, if I make donations of £200 or more, I understand that my details will be checked to ensure I am registered on a UK electoral register. If I donate more than £5,000 to the party in the course of a calendar year, I understand that my name and the amount of the donation will be reported to the Electoral Commission for publication on their public register of donations. I also understand that it is a criminal offence to make donations in a way that attempts to evade these rules.

To assist with the processing of payments, and to ensure compliance with legal obligations, donors who make aggregate contributions of £200 or more will be contacted personally. Please ensure that you provide contact details where you can be reached, as failure to do so may necessitate the refund of your donation."

Good luck with fighting that "excessive surveillance, profiling, tracking and monitoring of innocent people by Government and big businesses" objective.

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• Reform copyright and patent law.

Will that do it. :D

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Thought this may be about Radio Caroline..........................

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I wish they wouldn't call themselves the 'Pirate' Party as if there is anything noble about the Piracy or the Pirate Bay. I like a party that follows these issues but these people are just messing around.

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Unless you think of Jack Sparrow when you think of a pirate then you would never see one as noble anyway would you? When I think of a pirate they are always blood thirsty barbaric and murderous.

As far as piracy in the copyright sense is concerned well I have no respect for the huge multi billion dollar corporations and there money grabbing "oh you are stealing off the artist" as they steal a majority percentage off the artist spending millions on trying to stop this theft instead of charging a reasonable price for the product in the first place. You only have to look at the compilation albums going for £10 to £15 a shot all with the same tracks to see who the thieves really are

as you see I have quite strong opinions on this subject :)

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Zing,

That's a somewhat flawed logic.

The fact is that most artists have little or no say in what compilations their material appears on, that is down to the labels / publishers.

Here's a thought. Perhaps if people didn't go out of their way to acquire the tracks for free in the first place then the labels / publishers would have no need to reformat them in the guise of compilations in an attempt to recuop what they lost due to piracy. That, in itself, would be a significant "win" for the "pirates" but it would expose the frailty of their real agenda.

The "piracy" argument - from a non-commercial basis - does not stack up. This can be seen from the current exposure of just what its leading proponents are really all about ie: the exploitation of others works (seeders of the Pirate Bay) to make millions for themselves off the back of others through sales and advertizing. That makes them even more traitorous than the very industries they lied to everyone that they were "fighting".

The Pirate Party / Bay core principles have been adapted / changed several times in the past 12 months to suit the agenda of any particular scenario which they were presented with. They've gone, stumbling, from one crisis to another and duped millions into believing they were offering a copyright free agenda whilst respecting the rights / privacy of the individual. What about the rights of musicians, who are also individuals, do they not count? Apparently not.

Sure, it's great to get music and movies for "free" but it comes at a cost to someone else. Take for example the comment on the UK party site "Fair enough" in relation to the recent German anti-child porn legislation. Mother of God, if these so called "pirates" are prepared to value their free music and movies over the safety of children then we really are at the depths.

Open your eyes.

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It only comes as at a cost if you would have bought the product anyway.

There are very few films I really really get excited about . These I go to the cinema to watch . On a few occassion recently I have spent in excess of £40 just on trips to see films in 3d as I have to bus it to Coventry and they over inflate the prices cuz its 3d.

Ive recently bought a PS3 no hack on that so ive paid for the games I want. I also intend to build a blu ray collection of the films I really really want which I will buy. As for music there is very little contempory music I like and if you look in my mp3 folder you will find a very large quantity is old music that I have owned cds and cassettes for in the past

Sometimes I do have a twisted logic I accept that but I do not try to protest my innocence do I?I do not believe on this matter I show myself as a hypocrite a lot of people who download do

As for the pirate party and their principles yeah I know its a load of bobbins and I also knwo they are never going to get anywhere I just posted the story cuz its funny.

Record labels and the movie industry do more screwing than the pirate and at least im not like the chinese bloke who takes his crappy cam jobs round the pubs on a Friday or the guy with the rucksack at the car booty

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Cheers for that Zing.

This is a flawed (yet classic) argument. Aside from the human cost (as referenced above) there is always a cost. In fact this argument, in essence, undermines one of the core principles of the Pirate Party (to destroy the music industry).

The argument is based on the premise that things should be available to share for free - not "are" available for free. In the real world of business and economics businesses do not make things (at a cost to themselves) and then give them away for free for perpetuity. Do the Pirate party, in their advocacy of "free culture" seriously contest that someone should be able to walk into a bar and demand a pint of Guinness for free? Are they suggesting that people should be able to walk into the Louvre and scalp a piece of the Mona Lisa to carry around? Are they suggesting that someone in London should be afforded free flights to Egypt to see and experience the culture of the pyramids? No, of course they don't - because it's a fantastical and unworkable ideal that has been used to popularize, and elect, a political party and move forward a certain individual's right wing agenda. Music, movies, books, software are readily distributable - physical culture isn't and that's where their "stated objective" falls apart.

If pirates (p2p) didn't offer music for free then, by their own logic, the abolition of the record industry would come about at an even quicker rate. If people are genuinely that uninterested / against buying music at a given cost price then why perpetuate this myth by allowing the industry a "piracy" argument? that's right, it's because everybody loves something for "free".

Why not simply call for a boycott on the purchase of recorded music full stop until the industry realize that there has to be a revaluation of the point of sale worth? That would be too simple though, wouldn't it? It would also require people to stand by their supposed "conviction" that music is too dear by abstaining from consumption (free or otherwise). It's a simple premise of supply and demand which the Pirate Party - in their excellence at exploiting same at the expense of others - have chosen to overlook as a viable "consumer" lead revolt.

Look at it this way. Because of losses due to piracy the price of festivals / gigs etc has become inflated to ridiculous levels in an attempt to offset those losses. Who pays these increased prices? That's right "fans". So there's a cost to real music fans as well as to the artists / labels & publishers.

The actions of pirates are what drive the cost of the physical experience up, not down.

Is it just coincidence that the major funder of TPB and the newly elected MEP for the Pirate Party both made very considerable money from patents and copyrights before being shafted in their respected businesses? I don't think so.

By the way "bobbins" - that's my new favourite word, thanks!

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lol @ bobbins I like it :) used to name all the pcs I built bobbins too lol lol or Bob bins lol