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tweetypie/8 17-01-2008 00:53
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i watched michael portillo on tues night trying to find the most humane way to execute,it was very interesting in the sense that he done the rounds in the usa.the end result was that they all turned out to be very barbaric,a doctor/proffesor in england came up with a method of killing humanley, tested on animals [ i dont wish to offend animal rights groups ] the method he used induced eutopia,this got me to thinking about euthanasia used in switzerland and other countries,would this also be classed as barbaric,humane,or eutopia,

peanut 17-01-2008 02:42
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It was quite an interesting program, but the most poignant part for me was when the bloke from the US said 'why'? Why should they not be allowed some suffering at the end.

If the end was something that's not feared, eg, go out with euphoria and on a high smiling, or go out screaming, with your head on fire and your eye balls popping out of their sockets, I know what would be the best as a deterrent.

All those on death row are guilty of some pretty bad crimes, as the bloke said, 'who cares', the results are all the same.

Nidge 17-01-2008 05:14
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Originally Posted by tweetypie/8 (Post 34471832)
i watched michael portillo on tues night trying to find the most humane way to execute,it was very interesting in the sense that he done the rounds in the usa.the end result was that they all turned out to be very barbaric,a doctor/proffesor in england came up with a method of killing humanley, tested on animals [ i dont wish to offend animal rights groups ] the method he used induced eutopia,this got me to thinking about euthanasia used in switzerland and other countries,would this also be classed as barbaric,humane,or eutopia,

Who cares whether hurts or not, if they've committed a babaric crime they deserve to die with pain I might add.

Sirius 17-01-2008 06:55
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Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34471858)
Who cares whether hurts or not, if they've committed a babaric crime they deserve to die with pain I might add.
And if that's not allowed then let them rot and suffer for the rest of there lives in the most godforsaken **** hole we can find with only the minimum of care and food. There should be no human contact except for the single time each day that they are given the minimum food they need to live. no perks, No lights, NOTHING. That for the rest of there lives unless they take there own.

murfitUK 17-01-2008 07:09
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As a society, we have set out rules which you have failed to abide by. As a result we are going to kill you.

You may have committed the most horrendous, heinious crimes imagineable and have proved to be the **** of the earth.

But despite all that, we will treat you with dignity and humanity, and ensure your death is as painfree as possible because we, as decent human beings, have no desire to sink to your level.

Also, we often mess up and put innocent people to death - so if you are later found to be innocent it will help us sleep more easily knowing you didn't suffer too much in your final moments. After all, the next wrongly convicted person might be me.

TheDaddy 17-01-2008 08:31
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Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34471850)
All those on death row are guilty of some pretty bad crimes, as the bloke said, 'who cares', the results are all the same.
Far from all, since 1976 over a 100 people have been exonerated, 796 have been executed, it's a shocking record imo and I wonder how many of those dirt poor offenders would even be on death row if they could afford decent legal representation?

punky 17-01-2008 08:36
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Originally Posted by tweetypie/8 (Post 34471832)
a,this got me to thinking about euthanasia used in switzerland and other countries,would this also be classed as barbaric,humane,or eutopia
It doesn't matter, its consentual. Most people seeking euthanasia are in chronic and agonising pain. One last bit of pain as they die is probably irrevelent in the scheme of things.

Xaccers 17-01-2008 08:53
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Justice should not be about revenge.
If murder is taking a life with malice, then the state execution should be taking a life as punishment and without malice, otherwise it's no different to murderers.

Course, I dissagree with the death penalty as you can't make amends to an innocent man you've executed.
Posthumous pardons only help the family, not those wrongfully convicted.
One innocent man executed is one too many.

Watched a documentary about Albert Pierrepoint, and that was very interesting, the amount of pride he took in his work, ensuring everything went properly so that the condemned would suffer the least possible.

TheNorm 17-01-2008 09:07
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Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34471850)
... I know what would be the best as a deterrent....
Well if capital punishment is meant to be a deterrent then it isn't working very well, is it?

BBKing 17-01-2008 09:09
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Well if capital punishment is meant to be a deterrent then it isn't working very well, is it?
You are the late Albert Pierrepoint* and I claim my five pounds.

* The last British hangman, who in later years came to realise that capital punishment was useless as a deterrent.

tweetypie/8 17-01-2008 10:27
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Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34471850)
It was quite an interesting program, but the most poignant part for me was when the bloke from the US said 'why'? Why should they not be allowed some suffering at the end.

If the end was something that's not feared, eg, go out with euphoria and on a high smiling, or go out screaming, with your head on fire and your eye balls popping out of their sockets, I know what would be the best as a deterrent.

All those on death row are guilty of some pretty bad crimes, as the bloke said, 'who cares', the results are all the same.
are all on death row guilty ? its debatable if they are,there have been cases where innocents have been put to death.

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Originally Posted by murfitUK (Post 34471863)
As a society, we have set out rules which you have failed to abide by. As a result we are going to kill you.

You may have committed the most horrendous, heinious crimes imagineable and have proved to be the **** of the earth.

But despite all that, we will treat you with dignity and humanity, and ensure your death is as painfree as possible because we, as decent human beings, have no desire to sink to your level.

Also, we often mess up and put innocent people to death - so if you are later found to be innocent it will help us sleep more easily knowing you didn't suffer too much in your final moments. After all, the next wrongly convicted person might be me.
wwell put murf

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34471877)
Far from all, since 1976 over a 100 people have been exonerated, 796 have been executed, it's a shocking record imo and I wonder how many of those dirt poor offenders would even be on death row if they could afford decent legal representation?
my thoughts to.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34471887)
Justice should not be about revenge.
If murder is taking a life with malice, then the state execution should be taking a life as punishment and without malice, otherwise it's no different to murderers.

Course, I dissagree with the death penalty as you can't make amends to an innocent man you've executed.
Posthumous pardons only help the family, not those wrongfully convicted.
One innocent man executed is one too many.

Watched a documentary about Albert Pierrepoint, and that was very interesting, the amount of pride he took in his work, ensuring everything went properly so that the condemned would suffer the least possible.
as you say,you cant bring back the person who's been executed and tell them you made a mistake,also sorry is a hollow word to the family and friends of a person wrongly executed.

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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34471892)
Well if capital punishment is meant to be a deterrent then it isn't working very well, is it?
no norm it aint.

Nidge 17-01-2008 10:48
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34471861)
And if that's not allowed then let them rot and suffer for the rest of there lives in the most godforsaken **** hole we can find with only the minimum of care and food. There should be no human contact except for the single time each day that they are given the minimum food they need to live. no perks, No lights, NOTHING. That for the rest of there lives unless they take there own.
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Stig 17-01-2008 10:57
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Originally Posted by murfitUK (Post 34471863)
As a society, we have set out rules which you have failed to abide by. As a result we are going to kill you.

You may have committed the most horrendous, heinious crimes imagineable and have proved to be the **** of the earth.

But despite all that, we will treat you with dignity and humanity, and ensure your death is as painfree as possible because we, as decent human beings, have no desire to sink to your level.

Also, we often mess up and put innocent people to death - so if you are later found to be innocent it will help us sleep more easily knowing you didn't suffer too much in your final moments. After all, the next wrongly convicted person might be me.


:clap:

Losing their life is punishment enough...

Wicked_and_Crazy 17-01-2008 12:09
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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34471887)
Justice should not be about revenge.
But Justice = Payment for Crime commited which could be argued as revenge for the crime

Xaccers 17-01-2008 13:45
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Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy (Post 34472001)
But Justice = Payment for Crime commited which could be argued as revenge for the crime
Revenge suggests malice, punishment is the consiquence of an action deemed illegal.
The punishment for the convicted to lose the freedom life gives them.
IE take their life, not torture them.

Think of it like this, you get caught speeding and are sentanced to pay £100 and take 3 points. Would it be ok for them to stamp on your foot as you pay?


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