Has the world gone mad?
 

:rolleyes:

Pathetic, it is no wonder this country is in a state.

Daily Mail

Re: Has the world gone mad?
 

1. You mean humanity not the world.
2. Can any thing possibly arrive at a destination it has allready resided at and never left for centuries ?

Mr Franks was actually lucky, he may well have misjudged the situation entirely and ended up in the dock itself on assault charges, this could have hapened even if they were attempting to lift goods from a store. Finally a shoplifter in general can never be aprehended in the store as until they have actually walked out of a shop's premises with said goods they have not actually stolen anything no matter how it appears to be or what their past records are. The skill of a store detective is to aprehend just as they get outside the doors. If the guard had been set a duty to guard the toilets he was doing his job, doing something else may have led to getting the sack, if he was supplied with a radio he could of course have communicated the issue further up the chain of command which one would have thought would have been part of the guards duty.

Re: Has the world gone mad?
 

My former brother in law used to be a retail security guard for ASDA and he was told never to touch a shoplifter unless they were lashing out out at someone and only then it was to subdue them.

He was told he was there as a visual deterant only.

Re: Has the world gone mad?
 

This country? I'd be worried if I was a shareholder of the company that ran the shop, perhaps. Also, guards are rather obvious, which is why they found him, while the guys looking out for shoplifters are dressed to blend in with shoppers.

The gentleman in question could still make a citizen's arrest if he felt like it, then his wife could call the police, if she could find one, but if the 'shoplifter' hadn't actually left the shop, the constable won't be particularly impressed.

Anyway, it's in the Daily Mail, so I'll just go and get a non-nanny-state approved dose of salt to take it with - there's generally rather less than meets the eye to their 'hell in a handcart' style stories.

Re: Has the world gone mad?
 

The legislation allows an arrest to be made on grounds of reasonable suspicion that an offence is being committed. If the miscreant was seen stuffing his inner pockets with goodies and these were later discovered by an attending police officer, then that would certainly justify the person making the arrest and presumably would be sufficient for some kind of charge to be brought?

Re: Has the world gone mad?
 

An Indian mate of mine does it for Sainsbury's, he caught some old woman 'grazing' by the pick n mix, when he approached her, she launched into this tirade about him 'coming over here nicking our jobs'! :rolleyes: Some people

Re: Has the world gone mad?
 

Seeing as said miscreant hadn't passed the final point of sale, and if they had no previous, I'm sure some hotshot lawyer could say no crime had been committed.

Re: Has the world gone mad?
 

Defence lawyer - 'my client was innocently picking up items fully intending to purchase them, Your Worship'.

There can still be a conviction if they can prove intent to deprive the shop of the items in question, which is presumably a bit easier to prove if you're walking out with them rather than round the shop. It'd be interesting to know if the presence or absence of the means to pay for the items would be admissible - think of some absent minded lady with a basket full of stuff and who left her purse at home.