Fines for not allowing to Breast Feed?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3909153.stm
What a load of rubbish. Personally I am not offended by the site of this but I'm sure some people are. Whilst eating in a resturant I really wouldn't want to have it done blatantly in front of me, but to threaten financial penalties to business who ask a woman to stop doing so would be PC'ness got nuts. What I'm sure would help the situation would be more facilities allowing mothers to be able to do it in private if they wish. I'm sure there are many Muslims who would object to this sort of thing. What will resturants fear most, the threat of a £2000 fine or accusations of racial/religious intolerance? |
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Do Muslim children not drink milk, then?
I think it's an excellent idea, there's nothing remotely offensive and everything natural about breastfeeding children. There's everything offensive about being ordered not to feed a child in a public place. Private places are different, of course. I refuse to accept that women shoud be stigmatised and discriminated against for doing what's best for their child, that's outrageous. |
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Mealtimes in a restaurant?? whatever next? :D
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There are far more things in life to worry about, than someone feeding their baby. That's all I can contribute to this thread. |
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The legislation might seem a mit much, and it's hardly a question of being PC - otherwise we'd hide mothers and babies away just to avoid offending anyone, but it's long overdue that something so totally unthreatening to anyone should simply be allowed without question. __________________ Quote:
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I don't mind.
Just so long as I don't get fined for watching. |
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I am wth you in that I can't see how it can possibly be offensive, especially with the amount of boobs you see around you anyway in newspapers, magazines, etc. (But then again, because they look the same as a male chest, but bigger, I never saw the fuss about why one is fine to look at, and the other isn't anyway). I am not a fan of PCness though, and we do have to share this world with other people (as much as some wouldn't like to admit it)... And these people might object, so we should find some happy medium that keeps everyone happy. If someone objects, can't the lady use the toilet? OK, not the nicest of venues, but I don't suppose the kid will mind. I wouldn't like to see restaurants banning it as a rule, but geninely if someone is really offended by it (Gawd knows why) then I think you'd have to consider them, as well as everyone else. |
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I was hoping for so much more than this in a bill entitled 'the Breastfeeding Scotland Bill'. I had images of the entire country being force breast-fed :D
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There's nothing at all wrong with a woman breast feeding a baby no matter where it is done. Most of the time you wouldn't really see anything anyway, it's all in their minds. There is something wrong with people who complain about it though, they have no need to watch what's going on. I have seen many other things going on in restaurants that are much more objectionable.
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such as a propaganda leaflet type airdrop, consisting of various issues of the sunday sport ? <flippant mode = off> |
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Perhaps the "sensible" way would be to do what a lot breastfeeding mothers do. That is to use a pump to express milk into a bottle for the times when they may need to quickly feed the baby in public or when the vicar is visiting. It is more convenient and less messy than lifting up your top, undoing your maternity bra, scooping out your cheb and trying to stuff it in the baby's face whilst riding on a bus going over speedbumps.
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Now before you all go nuts at that, let me elaborate. If done discreetly, I have no objections. I'm not offended by a woman's breast (quite the opposite actually :naughty: ) but...."there's a time and a place" is my view. Remember tolerance in a two-way street..... |
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(Or forcing anyone to make an effort to observe the spectacle, for that matter.) __________________ Quote:
Now I happen to have been witness to rather a lot of breastfeeding over the years, and it's quite discreet, really - particularly with feeding bras and suitable choice of clothing. Not really 'exposing' the breast. Well, not quite as much as by opening some newspapers... __________________ It's odd really that breastfeeding usually is a more contentious issue that bare boobs on telly - yet the latter is far more prevalent. |
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hmmmmm Bitty ;)
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Define inappropriately??? IMHO we we're put on this earth without clothing, clothing is something we use to keep warm and to project an image. If a mother wants to get a jug of milk out whereever she is the good on her, its not inappropriate because if we went back to basics they wouldnt be covered in the first place. |
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Of course, breasts do have other uses as well, and it would be entirely inappropriate for those uses to be on display :naughty:. |
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Men have nipples too.
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They DO work. http://www.chclibrary.org/micromed/00048840.html er, not mine though I must stress. ;) |
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So let me get this straight - a business will be fined for not allowing a woman to show her breasts in public. :erm:
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This is all about women feeding their children under their blouse, I should imagine. Somehow, people know whats going on and that offends them... the thought rather than the imagery of it. I don't think most women would want to bare their brests in public anyway. Especially as they don't tend to feel that sexy in that part of their lives and that their areolas are the size of beer coasters, which make women feel even less attractive. All this talk about men lactating though reminds me of Family Guy when Peter becomes a feminist and tries to brest-feed Stewy.... Soooo funny :rofl: |
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i see absolutely no problem with breastfeeding in public, i wonder what it was like back in the old days ? |
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They want to fine businesses for not allowing breast feeding which may or may not involve, as you say, "showing" in public. Whether the lady has a strong desire to display overtly to as many people as she can, and do a pole dance while she's at it, is an entirely different matter. __________________ Quote:
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My take on it is that as long as people are allowed to sit next to me and poison my lungs, and make my clothes smell, my food lose it's taste and my eyes water by smoking in a restaurant legally, breast feeding is the least offensive thing that goes on, as it doesn't affect anyone around you. I think babies should have a legal right to feed where they like. I do. |
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I think that women should be allowed to breastfeed their babies wherever they want to. I can't see why a woman breastfeeding is offensive or disgusting in any way. If the threat of a fine is what it takes to allow women to do this unhindered then I am all for it :tu: :)
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I don't think mothers should be forced to go to the loo to do it, but whether I, or anyone else likes it, there will people that will be offended by it. If you force places to allow public breastfeeding, when it upsets the clients, all you are doing is making one group happy (mothers) at the expense of another. Bit of the wrong ethos to tackle the problem. |
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Hmmmm!
I was having this sort of discussion 20 years ago..Seems on the surface that nothing has changed. :erm: However back then it was women defending a mothers right to breast feed her child in public...Now it is men....Interesting! Speaking as a former breastfeeder I fed my children as when I wanted (or rather they wanted)even when out.It's amazing what you can hide under a poncho or shawl....I NEVER,EVER fed them in the toilet.Any establishment that asked me to stop or leave LOST my custom PERMANTLY! :tu: |
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Mmm! Lovely and hygenic...!! |
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I CLEARLY said in my first post, that I am not offended by it, nor can I understand why anyone would be, but they just are. In my perfect world, it wouldn't be an issue, but we live in a world with plenty of other people and they all have differing views and beliefs. Unlike you, I am trying to impress on people a bit of consideration for someone else. Something that is practically non-existant nowadays. We all have to share this world, and all have to get along. It is unfair to force all breast-feeding women into the toilets, and it is unfair to force people who are genuinely offended by it (i.e. NOT ME) to have to suffer it, or leave. Like with smoking, and everything else, it is give and take. People from both sides, should consider each other, and find some happy medium in the middle. If not a toilet, then a lobby, car park, or maybe just a few feet in some other direction. Yes it is an inconvience, but mothers aren't the only people in the world. Just because you don't agree with what someone finds offensive, that doesn't mean you should enfore what you consider to be offensive, or unoffensive anyway. I am not picking on you specifically (except for the unity bit), as it seems by the quotes, other people have misconstrued what I was truely trying to say. If anyone else thinks I am trying to make it seem like I personally want to force all breast-feeding women into toilets, then at least now, everyone should see that is not the case and I couldn't have made my true point any clearer. I don't want to force anyone to do anything, except consider everyone else. And that goes for everyone, not just breast-feeding mothers. |
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Maybe restaurants should be forced to have a set of screens that they can put around any narrow minded people that want to complain about the rights of a family to all eat together in a civilized environment.
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I see this whole "consideration for someone else" seems to be a bit less existant that I originally thought.
I can't breast-feed kids, but an example from my life anyway. I am 25 stone+. That is considerably into the obese category, and as you can guess, my stomach isn't very easy on the eyes. Some consider me topless to be be grossly offensive. I don't agree with it, but I won't hide in bunkers for life, but I will wear a t-shirt in swimming pools anyway. Maybe I should just take the attitude, "why should I have to consider someone else? F**k 'em" attitude. Make them feel sick looking at me, why should I care? I am against the nanny state setting down rules regardless forcing people to do, or not do anything. I really feel for breast-feeding mothers in this, I really do, but i'd rather people just try and find some compromise somewhere that makes everyone happy rather than upsetting someone people to protect another. Is that honestly, such a bad opinion to have? I do know this seems a bit idealistic, but I can still dream can't I? |
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Also I say unto you why the hell should you have to cover up in the swimming pool if you don't want to.Last time I checked it wasn't illegal to be overweight so yes f*ck them in that case.... :mad: Some people in this world need to grow up..... :( . I still can't see why men can expose their nipples when they feel like it but I can't..merely because I'm a female. In some parts of the world they don't give a woman's bare tit a second glance because to them it's not an erogenous part of the body. :rolleyes: |
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There are two sides to this. On one side there is someone who wants to breast feed their baby and sees nothing wrong with doing so and who would be upset if forced to hide away in some toilet to do it.
On the other side is someone who finds breast feeding offensive and is upset if forced to watch it. So, whatever is done, someone is going to be upset. Now in my eyes the nursing mother has much more reason to be upset. She may have started her meal when the baby wanted feeding. If she were to go to the toilet to feed it her food would probably be cold when she returned or if she was on her own it was cleared away by some waiter who thought it was finished with. If she had remained at the table she could have been feeding the baby and herself at the same time. The person who objected could have easily moved their position slightly or just taken the decision to concentrate on eating rather than trying to sneak a glance at what was going on. |
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Or even better,behave like the adult they are supposed to be... :rolleyes: |
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Edit: They may be, as some have said, immature, narrow minded, etc, but they are still human, pay taxes, contribute to society. You and I may not understand why they are offended (and to them it probably isn't trivial) but I personally don't think we should spite them just because we think they are narrow minded, immature, etc. I seem to be alone on that point. |
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You dint stand alone punky, believe me.
I dont understand what could case upset or embarrisment by a mother breast feeding her child. But if the person who is uncomfrotable with this feels the need to complain, rather than not look, then whats the point of our supposed tollerant, inclusive society. I have seen women breast feeding, and I find it neither lood nor indecient. Bottom line, IMHO, people need to get a little perspective on life. Moan about the real social issues, and be happy that a woman is sharing of her body with the child she loves. |
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