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chickendippers 05-06-2004 18:43

When are DNS Server Updated?
 
I'm just wondering if ntl: sets a specific time each day when they update their DNS servers to take account of people changeing their domain's DNS.
This would be very usefull, especially to me as I would like to know when I will be able to see my website via my domain :)

Chris 05-06-2004 18:44

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chickendippers
I'm just wondering if ntl: sets a specific time each day when they update their DNS servers to take account of people changeing their domain's DNS.
This would be very usefull, especially to me as I would like to know when I will be able to see my website via my domain :)

No idea, but you don't have to use NTL's DNS if you know the IP of an alternative. Just drop that into your IE settings instead (and I don't know how to do that either, I use a Mac).

badnbusy 05-06-2004 20:13

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
actually the DNS servers are not entered into IE setting. You need to go to control panel - network connection - right click your connection..properties... - double click TCP/IP and in the bottom two boxes, put 2 other DNS IP's in :)

Paul 05-06-2004 20:22

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chickendippers
I'm just wondering if ntl: sets a specific time each day when they update their DNS servers to take account of people changeing their domain's DNS.
This would be very usefull, especially to me as I would like to know when I will be able to see my website via my domain :)

DNS doesn't work like this. Nobody updates their dns servers at a specific time. Basically all dns records have an expiry time and when a record has expired, it is re-newed from the domains primary dns when next requested. :)

kronas 05-06-2004 20:51

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chickendippers
I'm just wondering if ntl: sets a specific time each day when they update their DNS servers to take account of people changeing their domain's DNS.
This would be very usefull, especially to me as I would like to know when I will be able to see my website via my domain :)

the usual time for a site to appear is 24 to 48 hours, although with NTL you just dont know :erm: :D :p:

chickendippers 05-06-2004 23:08

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pem
DNS doesn't work like this. Nobody updates their dns servers at a specific time. Basically all dns records have an expiry time and when a record has expired, it is re-newed from the domains primary dns when next requested. :)

Ah cool. From what other people have told me elsewhere I assumed that was how it worked (I guess they were over simplifing/just plain wrong) is there anyway to find out when the dns records expire?

Paul 06-06-2004 00:21

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chickendippers
Ah cool. From what other people have told me elsewhere I assumed that was how it worked (I guess they were over simplifing/just plain wrong) is there anyway to find out when the dns records expire?

Yes, nslookup will tell you if you run it in "debug" mode.

For example - if I try it for CF I get this ;

Quote:

QUESTIONS:
www.cableforum.co.uk, type = A, class = IN
ANSWERS:
-> www.cableforum.co.uk
canonical name = cableforum.co.uk
ttl = 359 (5 mins 59 secs) -> cableforum.co.uk
internet address = 69.72.137.98
ttl = 359 (5 mins 59 secs)
AUTHORITY RECORDS:
-> cableforum.co.uk
nameserver = ns1.i-webserver.co.uk
ttl = 41950 (11 hours 39 mins 10 secs)
-> cableforum.co.uk
nameserver = ns2.i-webserver.co.uk
ttl = 41950 (11 hours 39 mins 10 secs)
ADDITIONAL RECORDS:
-> ns1.i-webserver.co.uk
internet address = 69.72.137.100
ttl = 67553 (18 hours 45 mins 53 secs)
-> ns2.i-webserver.co.uk
internet address = 69.93.128.72
ttl = 67553 (18 hours 45 mins 53 secs)
You can see (highlighted) that CF's dns entry will expire on just under 6 minutes time in the dns server I use. :)

Chrysalis 06-06-2004 00:35

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
well ntl's dns server seem to be pretty quick when it comes to updating domain's but I disagree with that all dns server will auto update when domains ttl expires, when I was using freeserve years ago domains used to take WEEK's to propogate.

badnbusy 06-06-2004 09:02

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
You could always try using a different PROXY. This has its own DNS servers, and will probably be faster

Paul 06-06-2004 11:34

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
well ntl's dns server seem to be pretty quick when it comes to updating domain's but I disagree with that all dns server will auto update when domains ttl expires, when I was using freeserve years ago domains used to take WEEK's to propogate.

Well you are free to disagree if you wish - but that's still how dns works. :)

chickendippers 06-06-2004 12:47

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
That's great thank you :)

Chrysalis 06-06-2004 19:41

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
Pem thats how it is meant to work, but I was just pointing out some dns servers around the world are faulty, wether they are set to ignore ttl value's or are simply malfunctioning I dont know, but there are faulty ones out there. I work with lots of domains and run my own nameservers for hosting I do and when I update subdomains some isp's take forever to notice the changed even tho my update time should only be 15mins I am seeing some people taking over a week to see the change. Of course this is off topic and I apologise, in this case ntl dns servers get the changes fine.

Paul 06-06-2004 20:36

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Pem thats how it is meant to work, but I was just pointing out some dns servers around the world are faulty, wether they are set to ignore ttl value's or are simply malfunctioning I dont know, but there are faulty ones out there. I work with lots of domains and run my own nameservers for hosting I do and when I update subdomains some isp's take forever to notice the changed even tho my update time should only be 15mins I am seeing some people taking over a week to see the change.

I have never seen a dns server do this, they must be faulty in some way and the users of them should really complain.

Scott MacVicar 06-06-2004 22:33

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
They're meant to obey TTL.

Personally I add entries to my
/etc/hosts on my linux box
and
c:/winnt/system32/drivers/etc/hosts

So it resolves instantly.

Another tip.
Update your 2nd nameserver first and wait 2-3 days and then update your first nameserver, no one will notice its down but it might cause confusion with non static content like forums.

dev 09-06-2004 19:20

Re: When are DNS Server Updated?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pem
I have never seen a dns server do this, they must be faulty in some way and the users of them should really complain.

dns servers can be set to keep a domain cached for a set period and override the actually ttl of the domain


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