Why do ntl charge??
 

I was just having a browse of Telewest's XBOX site, & came across the following.....

So how can TW get away with not charging, & yet ntl still do on all their packages? :nono:

http://www.blueyonder.co.uk/blueyond...connector_xbox

Yet another reason that ntl are behind TW when it comes to good ideas.

[Edit]-Not only that but TW don't have any of this "It's against our AUP to connect your XBOX or your PS2 to our network unless you pay for a 2nd I.P address at £5.00 per month (soon to be £2.00 PM)"

TW actively encourage you & show you how to use a direct connection to your CM-well done Telewest. :tu:

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

Sorry to take issue here but I don't think TW is quite as good here as your post, and quote, implies:
There is an initial setup fee to provide the bit of kit, payable by all users.

Anyone using the slower speed BB connections will pay a monthly fee too.

It's only the high speed services, where presumably there is a higher margin, that the monthly, but not install fee, is waived.

However yes, as ever, ntl work out an expensive option when comparing those higher speed options.

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

Do any other ISP's charge for consol usage?
I have never heard of any.

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

Apology accepted! :D

No different to ntl there.

All ntl customers have to pay for ntl's 2nd I.P 'Console & BB 'Service'

That's the point I was making-I'll bet a pound to a pennt that there are not many 150k users on ntl, & that most are on 600k & 1MB, yet those 600k & 1MB customers have to (according to ntl anyway) pay extra per month for the privelidge.

I know. ;)

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

I wasn't aware of this - when did this suddenly appear?

I'm sure we all had discussions that seemed to revolve around the idea that NTL wouldn't support technical issues with your xbox connection unless you paid the £5.00 per month. Now NTL seem to be saying that everyone MUST pay this fee regardless.

Why should Xbox users have to pay if we are using Routers etc (Are they just trying to charge extra for on-line gaming?) :mad:

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

This has always been the case with ntl. You can get round it easily enough if you know how, but don't be under any illusion that ntl considers you to be breaching their AUP in the process.

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

this is true... but you will find that tech support (or everyone i know at least) will turn a blind eye to you doing this. This has been written into the usage policy since at least december 2003 but is not rigidly enforced. After all, if you are using a router, then how are ntl going to know that you are using an xbox or ps2 unless you tell them??

and Neil... the wording you are looking for is:

taken from section 21 here

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

but if your XBox is connected to a router then strictly speaking you arent connecting the XBox to the NTL network, you are connecting the router to the NTL network...

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

Oooh that's a grey area of leagalese, which I doubt would hold much sway if tested in court. Ntl also say you can only connect up to 3 computers. Now if you arent doing that via a router or switch how are you doing it when you only have the one bb connection?

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

i was just thinking that you are also excluded from 'connecting any unaproved devices to the NTL network' or something like that, meaning you can only use their STBs and Cable Modems... but you dont have to have your PC certified cause it isnt connected directly...I was just extended the logic...dangerous thing to do I know...

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

don't understand your point :confused: there is nothing stopping you from connecting a router to ntl.... and this is excluded from the three devices... I would look this up in the t &cs but i have done it once today and can't be bothered again! The only thing with connecting routers, is that ntl won't provide support to you if you use a home network.

MB

Re: Why do ntl charge??
 

Here it is -

User Policy & use of routers:

http://www.ntlhome.com/legals/userpolicy.html


As for the use of consoles...

I take...

"You may only connect XBox gaming consoles to the NTL network using a designated Xbox compatible broadband access product."

...to mean that my XBox connection method (I use a Linksys WRT54G) is OK wrt the AUP, because the router in question has been designated as XBox compatible by Micro$oft (the AUP doesn't say it has to be "designated" by NTL! ;) ).

But, like you say, NTL won't know that you have an XBox connected unless you tell them, & they don't seem to force people to use the Console service.