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Really?

https://www.electoralcommission.org....unts-published
2016
Party........................Income.........Expend iture

Labour Party.............£49,840,000...£43,324,000

Conservative Party....£28,303,000....£27,756,000

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Labour not as rich blah blah blah. Are they really telling us they can't afford to pay a few call centre workers the rate they just love to tell the world they're going to demand other companies/organisations do? They have plenty of money to pay all their staff the wage they say they aspire to for everyone and provide the job security/working conditions they scream out loud they are committed to at every opportunity. I thought Labour were above all that. That's their USP isn't it? Putting people first, not money and profit first?? That's what nasty evil greedy Tories and the likes of Sports Direct do isn't it? Well it turns out it's what Labour does too... Quelle surprise! :rolleyes:

The truth is Labour self righteously preach one thing whilst all the time, and quite knowingly, doing the other - always have, always will.

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So what you're saying is the Tories are as bad as the nasty, evil, hypocritical, greedy, usual suspect cronies in the Labour party?? Very cynical and depressing, who does that leave us with?

Cheer up ! we've got another 20 years or stagnant wages and austerity thanks to this Govts failure to get the economy going.

(ps keep taking the happy pills ;) )

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I wish you would take some happy pills....you need them, the diagnosis is, it’s all doom and gloom with you. Thankfully, most gloomy predictions you’ve spouted have been totally wrong. EU Nationals not leaving in droves and they’re not leaving NHS employment either and there has not been a recession in 2017, like you said there would be.

But frankly, you’re over exaggerating, in the negative as usual, but I’d rather have control than clueless idiots such as McDonnell, holding the purse strings. Labour would send our country to ruin with their, let’s share the wealth equally with everyone because that’s worked wonders for Venezuela. :rolleyes:

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Yet we're still all waiting for a list of all those super successful socialist paradises the Corbynites like to con those who're easily convinced into believing they actually exist. Talk about delusional... :rofl:

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Feel free to resubmit your post Mr K, without the childish dig this time. Members have been told to stop using childish digs.

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Hmm having a go at someone for making gloomy predictions in one breath and then making one in the next breath :spin:

I've got a prediction, it doesn't make a difference which one of them is in charge, business will adapt and make the best of it and trundle along for the vast majority same as before, same as with brexit, we'll make the best of it in spite of any obstacles our so called leaders put in our path and here's another prediction, they'll take the credit for it eventually, doesn't matter if they screw it up royally, eventually we'll come through and then it'll all be thanks to them.

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No it won’t, socialism does not work, that is not a prediction, it is not doom and gloom, it’s reality, go look at Venezuela for an example as to why it does not work! :rolleyes:

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Don't think I'll bother Mick ! I know alternative views aren't welcome in the CF echo chamber and by deleting my post you've proved the point ! ;)
Love and kisses, as always, Mr K

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All Rubbish, I deleted your post because you were acting childish.

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I'm no fan of Corbyn's but his policies are not the same as Venezuela's.

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Very true Socialism does not work but one does not need to be Einstein to see unfettered Capitalism does not work neither..

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Venezuela, who looks at Venezuela for anything, the only thing that separates them from other dirt poor South American countries is by lucky chance they found some oil when it was at it's costliest, it accounts for 100% of it's exports iirc, you put all your eggs in one basket like that and it's only ever going to end in disaster. Rather than going and looking at Venezuela I'd rather look at countries closer to home, similar to ourselves, like Scandinavia, there is something of a Nordic myth that they're completely socialist but they're a lot closer to it than not or Portugal that actually has socialist state written into it's constitution, again iirc.

Imo the best way is to take the best bits of both worlds and cobble it together to suit our own needs, ideology benefits no one.

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I dont think there is a country that completely uses capitalism, America only does when trampling on its poor, they love a tartif or isolationist policy, not really letting the market decide is it. In fact I think we are one of the most capitalist countries going, we'll allow anything to be sold to the highest bidder but we keep the nhs, another anathema and where does it get us, we certainly don't seem as happy as our Nordic chums in happiness surveys and the like

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I don’t agree. There is no middle ground.

People should work and strive to better themselves, but under socialist terms, they would not need to bother, everyone is treated equally, wealth is shared.

People start to fall into a permanent lazy mode, because it won’t matter, they will be looked after, but at a detrimental cost. Advanced people skills drop, people over time drop out of the skill mix career pool, teachers, doctors etc, vacancies increase tenfold, because nobody is qualified to fill the positions, but why bother to work harder, to better one self, because the lazy person down the road doesn’t need to, but shares in the same wealth, the system that keeps civilisation ticking over begins to fall apart, end result, it’s Venezuela MK II, people going hungry, government becomes a dictatorship, the country becomes isolated from rest of the world.

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Mmm, what next ? food banks ? Brexit ? This sounds a nightmare ! :rolleyes: