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Grogu is an essential part of success of the Mandalorian, I can see them wanting to bring him back at some point.

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Yeah I hope so . Much better to think nice thoughts than where the thread was going :)

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I don’t think she did anything wrong, and her point was valid and an important one. But she did it clumsily. For big corporations such as family friendly Disney they won’t take any chances and have proven that in the past with Guardians director James Gunn ( although I think they have now backtracked on that and he is doing the third movie now)

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Do you know, I watched the episode again tonight and it wasn’t as bad as I got all worked up about. It was by no means good, but neither was it as bad as I initially took umbrage to.

So I admit, I may have over reacted a tad.

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https://news.sky.com/story/walt-disn...rture-12241548

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I'm not famous, and where I am followed, it's by a few people, mostly friends and family, but I am always careful what I post, particularly on social media. I advise friends and family to do the same.

Sadly, one of my friends wasn't so careful, and one night, after apparently having an argument in the office of the man who was then both mine and his boss, went home, logged on to facebook and posted something about working for ****wit bosses. The next day, he was called into the boss, and told, in no uncertain terms to delete the post. He did, and promptly removed everyone he worked with from his facebook friends list.

When I discussed it with him in work a few days later he said it was because someone clearly told our boss what he put (or boss was not on facebook, so wouldn't have seen the post). Slightly offended by this (as I did not, and would not have reported anyone for this), I pointed out he had the boss's wife as a facebook friend, and it's likely she reported him, so he added me again.

I point this out because we do have a clause in our employment contracts that if we say or do anything to bring the organisation we worked for into disrepute, we could be fired for misconduct.

I've read that a lot of stars in TV shows and films do have a clause in their contract that specifically states they can't post or say anything that might be considered offensive. I've certainly heard it happens in UK productions, and I'd be staggered if it wasn't already happening in US productions. After all, whether they are left or right leaning, the likes of Disney want to sell their products to as many people as possible, regardless of whether they are left or right wing.

Taken on it's own, Gina Carino's post isn't what I'd call offensive. A bit clumsy, IMO, but I think I saw the point she was trying to make. Taken with other posts, which I didn't see, so can't judge, it could imply racism.

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I have little sympathy for these people who post stuff on anti social media and then get into trouble. They shoud avoid it like the plague.

I have a facebook account, which I probably view once or twice per week, and use once every two weeks to order from a local pub. You could count the number of times I post per year on one hand. I still have a twitter account, I cant remember when I last looked at it.

AFAIK, I even have an Instagram account somewhere, I cant remember why I created it, I dont think I have ever logged back into it.

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Then they have to bring him back for this!

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1625860596

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Kylo Ren killed him anyway hehehehe

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https://www.thewrap.com/lucasfilms-i...e-mandalorian/




I thought we had discussed this at the time but we didn't. What they did with Luke completely ruined it for me and when I saw the deepfake (not this side by side comparison but a full normal altered scene) the first thing I said to everyone was "why don't Lucasfilm use this dude and his footage and change it" and everyone replied saying what he has done was illegal bla bla bla. I am glad ILM have noticed it and taken the opportunity to improve going forward. My next hope is they do what they have done numerous times with the films and is to go back and make a permanent fix with this guy's version plus let him fix the sync issues. Everyone said it couldn't be done because it is a tv series on a budget and they did the best they could yet this guy did it in four days and could have done better if he had more time.

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He didn’t start from scratch though did he - absolutely everything about that scene was already established. Lighting, camera angles, movement of the body double and every other decision was taken and all Shamook has done is the final mapping of a young Mark Hamill face onto the scene, with the added advantage of having seen it done already, allowing him to reflect on where improvements could be made before starting work.

Had he been working for ILM at the time, four whole days of his time contracted out to Disney/Lucasfilm would not have come cheap. The fact is, it *is* a TV show on a budget and talented though this guy is, had he been bound by the timescales, editorial decisions and budget at the time, and asked to create the effect from scratch rather than improving on someone else’s take on it, there’s no guarantee he would have done better. This hiring by ILM, wise though it is, does not in itself mean that he is vastly more talented than those already on staff and it can’t be taken as an admission by ILM that they screwed it up.

Incidentally, I think they could have done better, and probably should have given the emotional impact it was supposed to have. If it was a time or budget issue, then that’s bad production planning. But it really didn’t ruin the episode as some have claimed. Such histrionics are unnecessary.

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It did for me and this is what my realism factor is all about. You couldn't watch that scene and believe that was really Luke. Instead you just see an obvious bodge job which distracts you and takes you out of the "moment" which you are deeply and emotionally invested in.

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As I’ve said before, your ‘realism factor’ is the problem here. If you can’t engage with visual storytelling unless what you see is hyper-real then that’s a failure of your imagination, not of the production (even if certain things could have been done better). Throughout all of history, theatre has required its audience to become part of the creative process, using the imagination to fill in necessary gaps in the story that are caused by limitations in staging or timing. Recent developments in CGI don’t absolve you of that; great swathes of any story are either implied or dealt with in shorthand and require imaginative input on your part. Come to think of it though you’ve expressed dissatisfaction about that as well - when Mando’s ship got beaten up you found it difficult to engage with the next chapter of the story because it required you to accept he had spent time getting it repaired rather than actually showing you the whole process.

There is always room in film criticism to discuss how well any production handles audience engagement. A film-maker’s prerogative to ask the audience to engage its imagination doesn’t absolve them from doing their best and it doesn’t prevent a critic from suggesting they could have done better. But I don’t think you’re engaging in an honest critical process here. One piece of CGI that could have been done better just doesn’t ruin anything. If it did so for you, I really think you need to critically examine your approach to film before you criticise the film itself.

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I feel really sorry for you, the fact in your world a bit of cgi spoiled it for you. Also please stop speaking for others and replace you with I because you only know how it effected you and not everyone else.

"I" loved the episode

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Although I agree with you here re- GM's lust for realism over imagination I disagree with you previous post shamok not having to start from scratch.

As far as the VFX dept is concerned ILM started from the same position. The scene had been shot. Lighting, camera angles, movement of the body double and every other decision was taken then the footage was passed to ILM for the VFX to be done in post production.