U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
U.S news but pretty major: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...inion-00029473
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But it's also a huge story because it was leaked and this is going to tear the country apart even more than it usually does. This is a country that hates each other over silly things like masks, what a comedian says on Netflix or on a podcast. |
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The issue is whether it should be a federal matter or a state-level(ie democratic) matter.
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It should definitely be federal and I would go one step further and I would argue should be international and enshrined in law based on an established consensus by the scientific community.
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In this case the Supreme Court rules on whether government can ban abortion, or whether that would infringe on the constitutional right not to have one’s liberty excessively infringed upon by government. Even so, it is possible, although very difficult, to alter the constitution to make it explicit on this point rather than subject to shifting legal opinion. |
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It's a difficult one, and always will be. I'm a man so will never be in the position of a woman with an unwanted pregnancy.
Still, I find an abortion of convenience uncomfortable. That's just my opinion. What I can't square, is the fight for the right to take a life that hasn't been given a chance to live, yet deny a person who has lived a life and facing a debilitating and degrading death the chance to end their life on their terms. |
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I also don't understand why a lot of the same people that are supportive for the 'right to life' when it comes to abortion are also big supporters of the death penalty. |
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Individual states are passing laws in relation to abortion. Therefore the legal competence lies with the individual states. It is the Supreme Court that has imposed limits on what they can decide(ie they can't have a blanket ban), not the Federal government. If the Federal government had legal competence on these matters, then they would've already shut down the possibility of the individual states having their own restrictions.
With the Roe vs Wade decision, not even the Federal government could overturn it. How is that democratic? |
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That's the way their system works.
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Your argument is illogical. You’re claiming that states are trying to do something, therefore they have the competence to do it, whereas federal government hasn’t tried to stop them, therefore does not have the competence to stop them. However there are a range of other possible explanations for the actions of the states and the federal government. In particular there would be no value in the federal government legislating on abortion when it is a controversial issue, and the Supreme Court has already ruled on it. The constitution is held a couple of steps back from being able to be changed by simple legislation because it is supposed to be the defining document of a nation state, not a reflection of temporary political preferences. Nevertheless there are democratic procedures available to change it, and those who interpret it are appointed by others who have been democratically elected. In fact it is the shifting political climate in the USA that has now brought it to the point where the Supreme Court position on abortion might now change. |
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As your quote stated :- "part of strategy to push back against rush of state laws". Of course, if the makeup of Congress etc changes, then they could return full control to the individual states. |
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If a federal abortion law is passed you can bet this ends up back at the Supreme Court where the states who have the opposite one would dispute it. That's true in both circumstances i.e. restrictive state laws and a federal access law or vice versa. |
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