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Mick	21-01-2021 11:46

US President Joe Biden

Moving on from the U.S Election and the Trump era. This thread is to discuss a brand new Administration and its policies good or bad. U.S President Joe Biden’s 100 days in office.

Already, he’s reversed several of Trump’s Executive Orders. Rejoined Paris Accord and W.H.O.

He has also controversially revoked the Keystone pipeline permit, which has somewhat angered Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau. This reverse of policy could lead to 11,000 job losses. It is reported Biden’s first foreign leader call is with Trudeau on Friday.

Chris

21-01-2021 12:27

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The pipeline thing is unfortunate, but ultimately due to a failing way back in the earliest planning stages to acknowledge the US federal government’s long running, poor record when it comes to respecting the reservations they themselves set up for indigenous peoples. It’s understandable that his first phone call is with Trudeau because there’s a pressing mess to sort out with him and granting him the symbolically important first call hopefully signals a willingness to find a different solution.

Mick	21-01-2021 12:49

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The bust of Winston Churchill is gone from Oval Office that Trump put back in 2017, but it goes during a revamp yesterday.

Hugh	21-01-2021 13:05

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067400)

The bust of Winston Churchill is gone from Oval Office that Trump put back in 2017, but it goes during a revamp yesterday.

Here's an article about what is in the re-decorated Oval Office - one thing I didn't know was that the Churchill bust (by the sculptor Epstein) was first lent to George W Bush in 2001 by the British Government for the duration of his term(s).

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The bust in question, by British sculptor Jacob Epstein, was given to President George W Bush by the British government and was placed in the Oval Office. But the statue was not donated, it was simply on loan for Bush’s term in office (a loan which the British government decided to extend when Bush was re-elected in 2004). Churchill disappeared from the White House in 2009, when the loan ended at the same time that Obama moved in.

So how was the White House able to claim in 2012 that the bust was still there? When writing the blogpost, the then communications director Dan Pfeiffer simply neglected to mention the fact that there are two Churchill busts – the one on loan to Bush from 2001 to 2009, and a second bust which the White House has had since the 1960s and still has to this day – a fact which Pfeiffer later had to clarify in an at the end of the post.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...office-britain

heero_yuy

21-01-2021 14:26

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Quote from The Sun:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1562846859

ANTIFA mobs clashed with cops as rioters vandalized the HQ of the Oregon Democrats, burned American flags outside state capitols and chanted anti Joe Biden slurs during a series of protests held on Inauguration Day.

Hundreds of members of the militant left-wing-group gathered in cities across the US yesterday as cops were forced to fire tear gas as protests erupted into violence and vandalism.

A chilling message on a protest banner carried by Antifa activists in Portland, Oregon, read "We don't want Biden, we want revenge".

The anarchists marched on the Democratic Party HQ in the city, smashing windows and vandalizing the building as they left destruction in their wake.

Going to be interesting how Biden deals with this. Trump sent in the Natonal Guard.

Hugh	21-01-2021 14:33

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36067404)

Going to be interesting how Biden deals with this. Trump sent in the Natonal Guard.

The President (whoever they are) can't send in the National Guard (except in DC) - only the State Governor has that authority.

Chris

21-01-2021 14:39

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36067404)

Going to be interesting how Biden deals with this. Trump sent in the Natonal Guard.

The Capitol is Federal property and the authorities had lost control of it. However, even then it was the Virginia national guard that was the first to be activated, and that was at the request of Nancy Pelosi, the Democrat Speaker of the House of Representatives, precisely because Trump delayed authorising the deployment of the DC National Guard (the only Guard directly under presidential control). Virginia is presently controlled by a Democrat governor.

The unrest in Portland isn't comparable in this respect with what happened in DC, and any attempt to use it to contrast Trump and Biden, or tactics dealing with left versus right wing protests, is entirely spurious. This will be dealt with by civilian police, as you would expect in any democracy with a civilian government, unless and until it gets beyond their ability to control.

Mad Max

21-01-2021 15:21

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067400)

The bust of Winston Churchill is gone from Oval Office that Trump put back in 2017, but it goes during a revamp yesterday.

Not to worry, he'll replace it with one of Gerry Adams.

Damien

21-01-2021 15:40

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Replace it with a bust of Noel Edmonds or he is no friend of Britain.

Mad Max

21-01-2021 15:43

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36067412)

Replace it with a bust of Noel Edmonds or he is no friend of Britain.

Mick	21-01-2021 16:16

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067409)

The Capitol is Federal property and the authorities had lost control of it. However, even then it was the Virginia national guard that was the first to be activated, and that was at the request of Nancy Pelosi, the Democrat Speaker of the House of Representatives, precisely because Trump delayed authorising the deployment of the DC National Guard (the only Guard directly under presidential control). Virginia is presently controlled by a Democrat governor.

The unrest in Portland isn't comparable in this respect with what happened in DC, and any attempt to use it to contrast Trump and Biden, or tactics dealing with left versus right wing protests, is entirely spurious. This will be dealt with by civilian police, as you would expect in any democracy with a civilian government, unless and until it gets beyond their ability to control.

I do not know what you been reading but that is factually incorrect Chris.

Read here as to why there was National Guard delays on 6th Jan.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...-capitol-riot/

I also do not know how you can say that it cannot be compared, in Portland last year, and many other Democrat controlled cities, many many businesses were destroyed by the left and BLM activists, in DC none were.

The destruction and violence from the left is far far worse than what happened in DC. Yeah they got in to the Capitol building, yeah windows got smashed and offices ransacked but the building still stands because the perpetrators were eventually stopped, this cannot be said for the many businesses burned to the ground by lefty activists and when Trump wanted to send the National Guard in to stop the looting and burning, these Democrat **** governors would not seek his offer of help.

It is totally hypocritical for them now to claim Trump delayed the NG when they dithered and delayed allowing them in to their burning cities.

Chris

21-01-2021 16:34

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067416)

I do not know what you been reading but that is factually incorrect Chris.

Read here as to why there was National Guard delays on 6th Jan.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...-capitol-riot/

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I also do not know how you can say that it cannot be compared, in Portland last year, and many other Democrat controlled cities, many many businesses were destroyed by the left and BLM activists, in DC none were.

The destruction and violence from the left is far far worse than what happened in DC. Yeah they got in to the Capitol building, yeah windows got smashed and offices ransacked but the building still stands because the perpetrators were eventually stopped, this cannot be said for the many businesses burned to the ground by lefty activists and when Trump wanted to send the National Guard in to stop the looting and burning, these Democrat **** governors would not seek his offer of help.

It is totally hypocritical for them now to claim Trump delayed the NG when they dithered and delayed allowing them in to their burning cities.

It’s certainly in order to compare levels of violence between different activist groups, but in a country like the USA where political control is so decentralised and there is so little central control even within political parties it is very difficult to claim different treatment of one group or another represents hypocrisy.

In any case my point was quite a narrow one: Trump had the opportunity to directly influence events in DC because it was in his gift to rapidly authorise National Guard units to intervene. Biden does not have any power that would allow him to influence riot control in Oregon. The US system just doesn’t work like that.

nomadking

21-01-2021 16:38

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It is quite obscene that the BLM violence and the murders that ensued(including an 8 year old girl) are not only perfectly ok, but people who criticise them tend to be sacked or forced to resign.
Talking about "democracy" having spent more than 4 years desperately by every nasty way to overturn it.
TV presenters can talk about "non-melanated people" and "annihilation" of them, and can keep their jobs as long as they apologise to Jews.

The woke re-education "camps" are going to proliferate even more.
Seattle.

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In order to be considered “accomplices,” White employees must give up “comfort,” “guaranteed physical safety,” “expectations or presumptions of emotional safety,” “control over other people and over the land,” and “relationships with some other white people.”
White employees were also urged to give up “niceties from neighbors and colleagues,” “the certainty of your job,” and “accepting jobs and promotions when we are not qualified, including racial equity jobs.”

That is what is at stake.
And it is also going on here in the UK. Not quite the same level, yet.

Hugh	21-01-2021 16:43

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36067419)

It is quite obscene that the BLM violence and the murders that ensued(including an 8 year old girl) are not only perfectly ok, but people who criticise them tend to be sacked or forced to resign.
Talking about "democracy" having spent more than 4 years desperately by every nasty way to overturn it.
TV presenters can talk about "non-melanated people" and "annihilation" of them, and can keep their jobs as long as they apologise to Jews.

The woke re-education "camps" are going to proliferate even more.
Seattle.
That is what is at stake.
And it is also going on here in the UK. Not quite the same level, yet.

Yes, because it's just like Cambodia in the 70s.

Get a grip...

Mick	21-01-2021 16:48

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067418)

Helpfully, the link you provided shows I am factually correct, there were delays, and also why the delays occurred. It helpfully references a previous story on the same website that details repeated refusals from the Department of Defense (I.e. the Pentagon, at that time under Trump administration control) to allow National Guard troops from neighbouring states to enter DC. That particular complaint came from the Republican governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...ational-guard/

It’s certainly in order to compare levels of violence between different activist groups, but in a country like the USA where political control is so decentralised and there is so little central control even within political parties it is very difficult to claim different treatment of one group or another represents hypocrisy.

In any case my point was quite a narrow one: Trump had the opportunity to directly influence events in DC because it was in his gift to rapidly authorise National Guard units to intervene. Biden does not have any power that would allow him to influence riot control in Oregon. The US system just doesn’t work like that.

Guard deployment is up to the Pentagon and Defence Secretary in DC, so no it was not delayed by Trump. That article does show you to be wrong because it says the delays were down to logistics and planning. Did not mention Trump at all in that article or him being the person to directly cause the delay.

Pierre

21-01-2021 16:56

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36067404)

Going to be interesting how Biden deals with this.

He won't have to, Antifa is just an "idea"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...a-what-we-know

nomadking

21-01-2021 17:03

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067422)

Yes, because it's just like Cambodia in the 70s.

Get a grip...

I used scare quotes, to emphasise that the word "camps" wasn't to be taken literally.:rolleyes:
Are you denying these things are not going on, in the name of things like "diversity training", "race based affinity groups", "race based caucuses", where white people are to blame for everything?
These are attempts at "re-education". Of course re-educating people not to murder 8 year old kids is not going to happen, is it?
Eg (one of many)

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For white people to take part in anti-oppression work in a way that’s useful rather than destructive or distracting, we have homework to do.
One of the formats that many activists have found useful are white caucus groups. The goal of these groups is to make focused time for “white work,” work that it’s important for white people to do separately from people of color (POC).
There’s not consensus in the broader racial justice movement about what white work is. If you ask lots of different people about what white work should be, the answers fall in a few rough categories, something that includes at a minimum:

Processing white feelings: working through emotions that often come up for white people like sadness, shame, paralysis, confusion, denial, etc.
Retraining: learning new behaviors, concepts, missing histories, and ways of seeing that are hidden from us in white supremacy.
Action to shift power: taking action to redistribute resources, change who’s in power, alter institutions, etc, etc.

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Ultimately, caucus work is about learning how to decenter “whiteness and its toxic effects, and to counter this through the centering of Black, Indigenous, and People of Color, or “BIPOC”.

papa smurf

21-01-2021 17:13

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36067424)

He won't have to, Antifa is just an "idea"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...a-what-we-know

FIRE & FURY Antifa mob waves chilling sign vowing REVENGE as they smash Dem HQ, burn US flags and chant ‘f*** Joe Biden’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/138056...tland-seattle/

Pierre

21-01-2021 17:15

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36067425)

BIPOC, that's the new one, I heard it for the first time last week.

Another "inclusive" acronym to add the others.

Mad Max

21-01-2021 17:22

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Absolute nut jobs!

Damien

21-01-2021 18:27

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36067424)

He won't have to, Antifa is just an "idea"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...a-what-we-know

That's right though isn't it? Antifa isn't a coherent organisation even loosely. It's just a set of multiple people that form in different cities and cause trouble in some of them.

As your article says Trump's own FBI Director said that.

Pierre

21-01-2021 18:52

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36067433)

There may not be a national command and control, but there will be organisers and they will be organised in the targets they make and the actions they do. Of course the outliers will also be there but they will follow the organised element.

They’re not just a bunch of plucky individuals.

Hugh	21-01-2021 19:08

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36067425)

"scare" quotes?

You use so many "", it’s hard to tell if they are "scare", "gishgalloping", "hyperbolic over-exaggeration", or just plain ""’s... :rolleyes:

nomadking

21-01-2021 19:23

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067435)

"scare" quotes?

You use so many "", it’s hard to tell if they are "scare", "gishgalloping", "hyperbolic over-exaggeration", or just plain ""’s... :rolleyes:

Are these type of compulsory re-training sessions for white people taking place, yes or no?
Google has over 2 million references to "racial affinity caucus".

Mr K	21-01-2021 20:03

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I see Qanon are starting to question themselves...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55746304

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BBC News - Biden inauguration leaves QAnon believers in disarray
Followers of the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory are divided after Joe Biden's inauguration confounded their predictions that Donald Trump would remain president in order to punish his enemies in the "deep state".

Many reacted with shock and despair as Joe Biden was sworn in as the 46th US president.

"I just want to throw up," said one in a popular chat on the Telegram messaging app. "I'm so sick of all the disinformation and false hope."

Maybe there's hope for a few of them yet...

Damien

21-01-2021 20:45

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I saw pictures of some of them in front of the TV with popcorn because they thought Inauguration day would be the moment it all pays off. All the former Presidents + Biden would be arrested and Trump would appear to take the oath for a 2nd time and all the crimes of the deep state would be exposed. Brilliant stuff.

Hugh	21-01-2021 21:02

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36067438)

Are these type of compulsory re-training sessions for white people taking place, yes or no?
Google has over 2 million references to "racial affinity caucus".

There are 43 million references to ‘Trump white supremacy", 4.8 million references to ‘Republican vote fixing", over 8 million for "ivanka trump eats babies", and over 4 million for "Mitch McConnell Russian agent" - what’s your point?

nomadking

21-01-2021 21:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067453)

My list is of real world actual events, eg the one arranged by the City of Seattle.
2012

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Racial affinity group meetings, or caucuses, can be effective tools for human service agencies to address cultural responsiveness or shift their organizational paradigm toward antiracism. The development of such caucuses is seldom undertaken, however, often due to concerns about resources and the difficulty of envisioning the concrete benefits. This article describes the formation, implementation, and functioning of a White antiracism caucus, facilitated by the authors, in a large social service agency.

Harvard - Office of Diversity and Inclusion

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The Office of Diversity and Inclusion offers ongoing opportunities for the Harvard Chan community – students, faculty, and staff – to participate in a series of race-based affinity group sessions.

So no re-education going on at the campus?

Mick	21-01-2021 21:44

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I’m seeing too many references to Trump. Move on people. This thread is about Biden and his next 100 days in office.

jfman

21-01-2021 22:06

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Can we spin off a Trump's legacy thread? Or is discussing that just off-limits in general?

Chris

21-01-2021 22:08

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The general rule is we’re happy with specific topics that are led by actual current affairs events. General threads tend to become circular and degenerate into pointless bickering. So if something specific comes up, that you can link to a news item, go for it at that point, but please don’t just start a Trump thread right now.

Mick	21-01-2021 22:16

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36067462)

Can we spin off a Trump's legacy thread? Or is discussing that just off-limits in general?

In future. Use the correct method and facility to ask such queries. Asking in the thread itself is not one of them.

Mick	22-01-2021 01:28

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President Joe Biden’s new America:

Left wing nut jobs trash cities in Oregon and Washington State with no condemnation from the newly sitting president.

So far 11,000 job losses due to Keystone permit revoked by Biden.

Thousands of National Guardsmen betrayed: For two weeks, they have protected the capitol building and sleeping in the cafeteria but have now been relegated to the cold car park.

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“Yesterday dozens of senators and congressmen walked down our lines taking photos, shaking our hands and thanking us for our service. Within 24 hours, they had no further use for us and banished us to the corner of a parking garage. We feel incredibly betrayed,” the Guardsman said.

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Thousands of National Guardsmen were forced to vacate congressional grounds on Thursday and are now taking their rest breaks outside and in nearby parking garages, after two weeks of sleepless nights protecting the nation’s capital in the wake of the violent Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol.

One unit, which had been resting in the Dirksen Senate Office building, was abruptly told to vacate the facility on Thursday, according to one Guardsman. The group was forced to rest in a nearby parking garage without internet reception, with just one electrical outlet, and one bathroom with two stalls for 5,000 troops, the person said.

http://www.politico.com/amp/news/202...capitol-461220

pip08456

22-01-2021 01:56

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2 Attachment(s)

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067481)

Betrayed is a bit strong.

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Capitol Police asked troops to move their rest area on Thursday, said Guard spokesperson Maj. Matt Murphy.

“As Congress is in session and increased foot traffic and business is being conducted, Capitol Police asked the troops to move their rest area,” Murphy said. “They were temporarily relocated to the Thurgood Marshall Judicial Center garage with heat and restroom facilities. We remain an agile and flexible force to provide for the safety and security of the Capitol and its surrounding areas.”

Meanwhile.

Marjorie Greene (Rep, Georgia) has just filed Articles of Impeachment on President Biden.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1611280503

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1611280503

Paul	22-01-2021 05:11

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You could not make this nonsense up.

Who needs reality TV, just watch the USA.

Mick	22-01-2021 07:14

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Just goes to show the impeachment power is now in regular use. It’s become weaponised. However Pelosi will dismiss them, but the Congresswoman could force a vote on the House floor, would still fail, slightly more Democrats.

Hugh	22-01-2021 08:06

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36067483)

Betrayed is a bit strong.

Meanwhile.

Marjorie Greene (Rep, Georgia) has just filed Articles of Impeachment on President Biden.

She’s a charmer...

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5...oting-as-false

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GOP Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene referred to Parkland school shooting as 'false flag' event on Facebook

... Green in another post suggested that school shootings were taking place to help Congress pass gun control legislation.

Supporters of gun control legislation argue U.S. gun laws contribute to the number of school shootings in the United States, which far and away exceed any other nation's on earth.

“I am told that Nancy Pelosi tells Hillary Clinton several times a month that ‘we need another school shooting’ in order to persuade the public to want strict gun control,” Greene said in another post back in 2018 also unearthed by Media Matters.

papa smurf

22-01-2021 08:10

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36067483)

Betrayed is a bit strong.

Meanwhile.

Marjorie Greene (Rep, Georgia) has just filed Articles of Impeachment on President Biden.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1611280503

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1611280503

Is this a new record?

Hugh	22-01-2021 08:14

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36067497)

Is this a new record?

For stupidity, yes...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/p...tol/index.html

papa smurf

22-01-2021 08:25

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067494)

Some very serious charges to answer though.

Pierre

22-01-2021 09:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067498)

For stupidity, yes...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/p...tol/index.html

United states tries to remove democratically elected president.

Wow! who could of predicted this? there's no precedent for it!

Maggy

22-01-2021 09:36

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And it won't get them Trump back.

jonbxx

22-01-2021 10:04

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Maybe Marjorie Green really wants Kamala Harris to be president and impeachment of Biden is the way forward.

1andrew1

22-01-2021 10:07

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067481)

Genuine question - a couple of days ago you said you had zero interest in US politics. Has the new administration rekindled your interest, Mick?

Mick	22-01-2021 10:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36067509)

Genuine question - a couple of days ago you said you had zero interest in US politics. Has the new administration rekindled your interest, Mick?

Stop trolling. I don’t have to be interested to still engage in a debate.

jfman

22-01-2021 10:46

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Trying to use Parliamentary shenanigans to overturn the outcome of the vote in history only ends badly. The Trump supporters and those trying to impeach Biden need to learn the lesson of the Liberal Democrats.

heero_yuy

22-01-2021 10:47

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Apparently the bust of Churchill has been replaced by that of Chavez. (No not that one)

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Quote from abc news:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1562846859

WASHINGTON -- Paul Chavez had no idea where a sculpture of his father, Latino American civil rights and labor leader Cesar Chavez, would end up in the White House.

He agreed just this week to lend the bronze bust to President Joe Biden and hustled to get it wrapped up and shipped across the country from California. It was an utter surprise Wednesday when he saw Biden at his desk in the Oval Office, with the bust of the late Cesar Chavez right behind the president.

“We're still smiling cheek to cheek,” Paul Chavez said in an interview Thursday.

Biden pressed themes of unity and inclusivity and advocacy for racial justice during the campaign, and Chavez said Biden appeared to be trying to convey that through a series of quick decorative changes he's made to the world's most powerful office.

Chris

22-01-2021 10:53

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The Oval Office decor is supposed to reflect the incoming president’s priorities and influences. It isn’t a statement about whether or not the American President loves or hates Winston Churchill or the British. I’m not entirely certain when the idea took hold that this was the case, but it’s quite silly.

papa smurf

22-01-2021 10:56

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067517)

I read somewhere that the bust was loaned to Bush and they never returned it,i have no idea if that is true or not.

Maggy

22-01-2021 11:26

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067517)

:tu:

1andrew1

22-01-2021 11:36

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36067519)

I read somewhere that the bust was loaned to Bush and they never returned it,i have no idea if that is true or not.

Hugh posted a link here. There were apparently two busts. One's there permanently, the other was loaned whilst Bush was President.

---------- Post added at 11:36 ---------- Previous post was at 11:30 ----------

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067517)

I think that was just a device used Obama's opponents to portray him as being anti-British.

Damien

22-01-2021 11:41

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It does make us look a bit desperate and sad to be upset about that kinda thing.

jfman

22-01-2021 12:04

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36067528)

It does make us look a bit desperate and sad to be upset about that kinda thing.

Quite a collapse from the Empire on which the sun never set.

nomadking

22-01-2021 12:29

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36067528)

It does make us look a bit desperate and sad to be upset about that kinda thing.

Upset? Who? Where? Or are they merely commenting.

jfman

22-01-2021 12:38

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36067538)

Upset? Who? Where? Or are they merely commenting.

Most of the comments seem to infer deeper meaning, or try to gleam some interpretation from it that likely doesn't exist.

It could be that someone who takes pride in their Irish descent doesn't want to look at a British, alcoholic, racist all day. It might just be because it's ugly. I guess we will never know...

Chris

22-01-2021 12:48

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36067539)

Is that you, Joseph ...?

Damien

22-01-2021 12:57

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36067538)

Upset? Who? Where? Or are they merely commenting.

Well I've connected it to when Obama did the same thing and there was a tiff about it in the British Press to the point Obama himself was asked about it.

Angua

22-01-2021 16:30

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36067544)

Well I've connected it to when Obama did the same thing and there was a tiff about it in the British Press to the point Obama himself was asked about it.

Odd that there is not a bust of Roosevelt in the PMs office, but there ya go.

jonbxx

22-01-2021 18:20

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US Embassy in Londons' response to the bust nonsense - https://twitter.com/USAinUK/status/1352642302091653121

Paul	22-01-2021 18:53

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I think thats enough about a bust of Winston Churchill, or anyone else.
If thats all people can find to talk about for his first 100 days then we can close this.

Mick	23-01-2021 12:25

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President Biden said before November Election that he had a plan to tackle the Covid crisis, yesterday, he announced there is nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the U.S, that the American death toll will reach 600,000 in weeks. That will be 200,000 more deaths on his watch. I told you this wise guy wouldn’t be the answer.

Through his first 100 days...His party will perform an unconstitutional impeachment trial, causing further tension and division, but it’s not about a sitting President, but now a private citizen, a former president. Senate now lacks jurisdiction to convict a private citizen.

Democrats have become the **** of the Earth, who like to think they are above the law, these scumbags need bringing down a peg or two.

Hugh	23-01-2021 12:40

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ne-mass-sites/

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FEMA would operate up to 100 federally run mass vaccination sites under Biden plan

The plan, which was announced by President Biden on his first day in office, is already taking shape in the form of a draft “Concept of Operations,” which was obtained by The Washington Post. The document envisions FEMA, which previously had more of a piecemeal role in pandemic response, fully unleashed.

Its mission will be to “provide federal support to existing or new community vaccination centers and mobile clinics across the country.”

Enlisting FEMA, an agency of the Department of Homeland Security, is among the clearest signals that Biden intends to involve the federal government more directly in the administration of vaccines, instead of leaving the final step of the massive effort to state and local authorities...

... The draft outlines four possible sizes for federally administered sites. The largest, called the “Mega Model,” would be able to administer 6,000 doses a day but require a space at least as large as 15,000 square feet. The smallest would extend across just 2,500 square feet and be able to handle 250 doses a day.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...convict-461089

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Legal scholars, including at Federalist Society, say Trump can be convicted

Former President Donald Trump can be convicted in an impeachment trial for his role in inciting the Capitol insurrection on Jan. 6 even though he is no longer in office, a bipartisan group of constitutional law scholars wrote in a letter Thursday.

“We differ from one another in our politics, and we also differ from one another on issues of constitutional interpretation,” wrote the signatories, which include the co-founder and other members of the conservative Federalist Society legal group. “But despite our differences, our carefully considered views of the law lead all of us to agree that the Constitution permits the impeachment, conviction, and disqualification of former officers, including presidents.”

Mick	23-01-2021 12:48

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067684)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ne-mass-sites/

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...convict-461089

Utter bollocks to both of your links. Biden said he had no plan to change the trajectory when he said he had.

Senate impeachment. It’s unconstitutional. You show me in the Constitution where it says a private citizen can be impeached?

Pierre

23-01-2021 12:59

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067680)

He could do the presidential thing and scrap the impeachment.

papa smurf

23-01-2021 13:02

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36067690)

He could do the presidential thing and scrap the impeachment.

If Biden want's to heal America he should leave Trump alone, unless he want's to start a shit storm.

nomadking

23-01-2021 13:37

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067684)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ne-mass-sites/

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...convict-461089

The individual states should have long had plans. How are people expected to get to and from the very limited number of FEMA sites? How is FEMA expected to know what is needed and where? All just for show.

Mick	23-01-2021 14:04

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Just IN: Vice President Harris has nothing on her schedule today or tomorrow while President Biden only meets with advisors until this afternoon before nothing until Monday. Looks much like the lack lustre campaign, but these are actually days 3 and 4 on the job.

And don’t bother with “But Trump golfed”. New leaders have been elected. The focus is on them now. Source: The Hill.

Chris

23-01-2021 14:07

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Is it controversial to be not working on the weekend?

Damien

23-01-2021 14:09

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Presumably, that's the public schedule. Presidents have duties that don't involve public events.

papa smurf

23-01-2021 14:10

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Maybe he's semi retired and only doing a couple of days per week.

Chris

23-01-2021 14:21

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36067705)

Presumably, that's the public schedule. Presidents have duties that don't involve public events.

That’s what I assumed, though in Harris’ case I imagine her work schedule is a bit more predictable as mostly her job is to be speaker of the senate. She will have public duties and doubtless some of them will fall on a weekend, but I’d have been surprised if either Biden or Harris had been expected to show up at the opening of a new Wal-Mart on their first weekend. These days will have been kept free for urgent stuff that couldn’t have been foreseen prior to them taking office.

Hugh	23-01-2021 14:23

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067703)

Perhaps they "will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. They will make many calls and have many meetings."

Mick	23-01-2021 14:28

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067704)

Is it controversial to be not working on the weekend?

It was for the lefties and his predecessor. :rolleyes:

Hugh	23-01-2021 16:00

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067680)

President Biden said before November Election that he had a plan to tackle the Covid crisis, yesterday, he announced there is nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the U.S, that the American death toll will reach 600,000 in weeks. That will be 200,000 more deaths on his watch. I told you this wise guy wouldn’t be the answer.

Through his first 100 days...His party will perform an unconstitutional impeachment trial, causing further tension and division, but it’s not about a sitting President, but now a private citizen, a former president. Senate now lacks jurisdiction to convict a private citizen.

Democrats have become the **** of the Earth, who like to think they are above the law, these scumbags need bringing down a peg or two.

COVID positive tests usually happen seven to fourteen days after exposure, and USA testing never got to where it needed to be, and they have no real tracing.

Deaths usually occur four to six weeks after the onset of symptoms, or around two months after initial exposure - how can the fact that the number of deaths are going to continue rising, because of people being infected up to now be Biden’s fault.

The number of deaths in the next two month or so are already written...

Mr K	23-01-2021 16:02

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067714)

It was for the lefties and his predecessor. :rolleyes:

His predecessor spent most of his time working on his golf handicap, watching TV and tweeting hate.

papa smurf

23-01-2021 16:16

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067719)

COVID positive tests usually happen seven to fourteen days after exposure, and USA testing never got to where it needed to be, and they have no real tracing.

Deaths usually occur four to six weeks after the onset of symptoms, or around two months after initial exposure - how can the fact that the number of deaths are going to continue rising, because of people being infected up to now be Biden’s fault.

The number of deaths in the next two month or so are already written...

Have you any idea where the buck stops:nono:

Mick	23-01-2021 16:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067719)

What medical expertise are basing this on?

Because it’s utter rubbish. A person can develop symptoms within days of getting Covid-19. About 20% of those infected can deteriorate, often quite suddenly, developing a condition called acute respiratory distress syndrome (or ARDS). Oxygen levels in their blood plummet and they struggle ever harder to breathe. This does not take weeks at all.

nomadking

23-01-2021 16:57

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36067720)

His predecessor spent most of his time working on his golf handicap, watching TV and tweeting hate.

The Democrats and their supporters(especially in the media and Hollywood) have spent the past 4 years and more spreading and supporting hate and the overturning of a democratic decision. People who didn't support their cause were often sacked, forced to resign, or likely never to be hired again.

Mr K	23-01-2021 17:19

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36067724)

And the events of the past few weeks weren't about trying to overturn a democratic decision?

The previous president never sacked anyone of course and welcomed a healthy debate !
https://www.statista.com/chart/15071...er-presidents/

Mick	23-01-2021 17:28

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Stop talking about Trump FFS.

nomadking

23-01-2021 17:31

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36067725)

The actions of Democrats and their supporters over the past few years has meant that it could not truly be classed as a democratic decision. Their spreading of bile and hate, based upon falsehoods, swayed the result. Just look at the output of Film, TV, and celebs.

Mr K	23-01-2021 17:53

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Fwiw I think Joe's doing a brilliant job. Several executive orders reversing the previous muppets crap, and most importantly rejoining the Paris climate accord.
A great first week, keep up the good work Joe ! :)

pip08456

23-01-2021 17:57

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067685)

I think it would be best to leave it to those in the US more well versed on the constitution.

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“We differ from one another in our politics, and we also differ from one another on issues of constitutional interpretation,” wrote the signatories, which include the co-founder and other members of the conservative Federalist Society legal group. “But despite our differences, our carefully considered views of the law lead all of us to agree that the Constitution permits the impeachment, conviction, and disqualification of former officers, including presidents.”

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The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies, most frequently called the Federalist Society, is an organization of conservatives and libertarians that advocates for a textualist and originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution. It features a student division, a lawyers division, and a faculty division. The society currently has chapters at more than 200 United States law schools. The lawyers division comprises more than 70,000 practicing attorneys (organized as "lawyers chapters" and "practice groups" within the division) in ninety cities. The society is headquartered in Washington, D.C. Through speaking events, lectures, and other activities, it provides a forum for legal experts of opposing views to interact with members of the legal profession, the judiciary, and the legal academy. It is one of the United States's most influential legal organizations

Mick	23-01-2021 18:12

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36067735)

I think it would be best to leave it to those in the US more well versed on the constitution.

I have, he’s called Alan Dershowitz and he is a Constitutional expert who has argued it’s not Constitutional, I’m still waiting for someone to show me in the Constitution where it specifically states a private citizen can be impeached in a Senate Trial. I’ll give you a clue, it also doesn’t say former presidents.

That said, I think it would be best if we could stick to the topic.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36067734)

The Paris agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. You’re very poor at researching stuff Mr K, you just like to gob off of a bit, with zero benefit of intellect.

Although analysts say the pact has helped make some progress toward its goal of preventing average global temperatures from increasing by 2°C above preindustrial levels, the effort is overshadowed by evidence that many countries just aren't living up to the promises they made in 2015.

Mr K	23-01-2021 18:22

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067736)

I
The Paris agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. You’re very poor at researching stuff Mr K, you just like to gob off of a bit, with zero benefit of intellect.

Although analysts say the pact has helped make some progress toward its goal of preventing average global temperatures from increasing by 2°C above preindustrial levels, the effort is overshadowed by evidence that many countries just aren't living up to the promises they made in 2015.

Its a start, rather than ignoring the issue and hoping it will go away. Putting short term profit and political ambition first has been the policy of last 4 years. It's the biggest issue facing the US and the World, forget Covid thats a cakewalk in comparison. Covid will kill a fraction of our population, climate change could well do for us all.

Hugh	23-01-2021 19:58

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067723)

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Originally Posted by Hugh

COVID positive tests usually happen seven to fourteen days after exposure, and USA testing never got to where it needed to be, and they have no real tracing.

Deaths usually occur four to six weeks after the onset of symptoms, or around two months after initial exposure - how can the fact that the number of deaths are going to continue rising, because of people being infected up to now be Biden’s fault.

The number of deaths in the next two month or so are already written...

CDC...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-patients.html

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Incubation period
The incubation period for COVID-19 is thought to extend to 14 days, with a median time of 4-5 days from exposure to symptoms onset.(1-3) One study reported that 97.5% of people with COVID-19 who have symptoms will do so within 11.5 days of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

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the median time from their onset of illness to the time they experienced dyspnea was 5–8 days; the median time from onset of illness to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) was 8–12 days

And the cases to death lag, from a statistician quoted in the Evening Standatd a couple of days ago.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/u...d-b900340.html

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Earlier the Standard reported that infection rates had started falling in every London borough, raising hopes that the capital’s devastating third wave had plateaued.

But Nigel Marriott, a fellow of the Royal Statistical Society, has warned of a five-week lag between case numbers and deaths, meaning the figures could get much worse before they get better.

https://twitter.com/marriottnigel/st...175188993?s=21

Mick	23-01-2021 21:01

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The lag is nothing to do with how long it takes to kill people, the lag is gathering of data.

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BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden holds first time phone call with UK Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, since taking office on Wed.

Boris just tweeted:

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Great to speak to President @JoeBiden this evening. I look forward to deepening the longstanding alliance between our two countries as we drive a green and sustainable recovery from COVID-19.

Pierre

23-01-2021 21:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067719)

how can the fact that the number of deaths are going to continue rising, because of people being infected up to now be Biden’s fault

And herein lies the problem, not just the US but the U.K. and globally.

How can you lay “ fault” at anyone? Everyone has done what they think is right, laying fault and blame - at anyone ( unless you can prove gross negligence) is a mugs game.

Mick	24-01-2021 08:34

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BREAKING: U.S Carrier Group led by USS Theodore Roosevelt enters South China Sea following Taiwan reporting of an incursion by China, who had sent a Bomber Plane and several Fighter Jets. Source: Reuters News Agency.

Damien

24-01-2021 09:32

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Well, we're all dead.

Sephiroth

24-01-2021 12:47

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Nah NahNah Nah Nah; we were first!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...aign=DM1328448

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Boris Johnson told Joe Biden his arrival in the White House was a "moment of hope in a dark time" as he became the first leader outside North America to speak to the US President.

I'm so proud and so must the rest of us in this thread!

papa smurf

24-01-2021 13:20

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36067811)

Nah NahNah Nah Nah; we were first!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...aign=DM1328448

I'm so proud and so must the rest of us in this thread!

:rofl:

Damien

24-01-2021 14:25

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I can't take all the credit to be fair....

Mick	24-01-2021 18:10

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36067786)

Well, we're all dead.

I think we may head there, they’re almost certainly testing Biden.

LATEST: Taiwan reporting large incursion of Chinese warplanes for second day. Washington tells Beijing to stop pressuring Taiwan. Source: France 24 & The Economic Times.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pac...and-s-airspace

Chris

24-01-2021 18:32

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This happens from time to time. The Chinese breach Taiwanese airspace, the US sends a carrier group and paints a few Chinese planes with missile tracking radar, the Chinese establish the Americans are still serious and go home.

Hugh	24-01-2021 19:02

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067851)

Yup...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...past-nine-days

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...space-two-days

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKBN23N15D

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/01/taiw...time-line.html

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/11...-taiwan-strait

Mr K	24-01-2021 22:13

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There's a great programme about President Joe's win that I recommend. I found it very enjoyable ;)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...-show-downfall

Mick	24-01-2021 23:16

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36067944)

There's a great programme about President Joe's win that I recommend. I found it very enjoyable ;)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...-show-downfall

Which is a shame it can’t be said for the Inauguration video posted to YouTube by the official White House account, it received a higher proportion of dislikes to likes, it caused them to have unlisted it. :rofl:

Hugh	25-01-2021 00:07

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067950)

Which is a shame it can’t be said for the Inauguration video posted to YouTube by the official White House account, it received a higher
proportion of dislikes to likes, it caused them to have unlisted it. :rofl:

This one?

https://youtu.be/q5iCPKDp4V4

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1611533095

Mick	25-01-2021 01:11

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Nope because that is listed.

This one isn’t:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmIZmu7EY74

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