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mertle 06-06-2008 17:39

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34569393)
Correct that is what they used it for not for monitoring everypage read exactly what I see as if they were sitting at the side of me then sel this information on for monatory gain.

On another note noticed phorm shares are down and phorm is in the bottm 4

MEC.L -35.16
PHRM.L -35.42
YELL.L -40.94
JPR.L -46.69

just been on this website shows a graph of phorm share plunge. Yet they still say phorm a good investment.

Which means the moneymen think this will blow away that is worry. Do they know something we dont.

http://www.reuters.com/finance/stock...?symbol=PHOR.L

popper 06-06-2008 17:40

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
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Few people detected Phorm in BT's secret trials

Wikileaks has what looks like an internal BT memo about the adware trial
June 6, 2008 12:29 PM ....

Dephormation 06-06-2008 18:06

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mertle (Post 34569411)
Which means the moneymen think this will blow away that is worry. Do they know something we dont.

Ask SCO how quickly a tech share price can collapse if you don't tell the truth.

Florence 06-06-2008 18:18

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34569438)
Ask SCO how quickly a tech share price can collapse if you don't tell the truth.

Hey at least lets get the AGM over and perhaps sell BT shares while we can still keep our shirt :D really dont want to sell them till after the AGM if I can get her to sell...

Dephormation 06-06-2008 18:37

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
For anyone planning travel to London for the demo on 15/16/17 July... Megatrain.co.uk seem to have some good deals.

http://www.megatrain.co.uk/uk/

eg;

15:52 Depart Bristol Temple Meads Arrive London Waterloo 18:45 1 seat = £1.00

Pete

SMHarman 06-06-2008 19:03

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Getting back to the basics of the Phorm selling USP. To protect from Phishing. That BT test made absolutely no reference to these capabilities, highlighting again that it, to my mind is an afterthought add on to make the whole DPI process have a level of paletability in the eyes of the user, else it would be like a Tesco Clubcard without the cashback, who would want one of those?

mark777 06-06-2008 21:16

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
I've spent the last hour or so going through the leaked document again and it's still mind-boggling how much 'dirt' is in there.

One thing comes across very strongly and many people have remarked upon it; the emphasis on 'transparency'. This is transparency in BT/Phorm terms i.e. covert.

They quote a 0.1% detection rate. That's high given the percentage of people with the technical savvy to understand that there may be a problem.

They also address the issue of 'navigation bar flutter'. Clearly, this was not sorted for the 2007 trial because it was spotted by users.

Now the user base, or certainly the tech savvy user base, is primed and looking for it. They will find it nearly impossible to proceed 'transparently'.

They have also completely failed to 'manage' perceptions.

Hence no trial?

Dephormation 06-06-2008 21:29

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34569611)
Hence no trial?

I'm sure there will be a trial, just not that kind of trial.

They can't run a technical trial until they fix the leaking email cookie issue... that means Phorm must not run a bt.com domain (or BT must fix their porous siteminder implementation).

And arguably its too late anyway. They have leaked so many email addresses/customer account numbers/ip addresses to Phorm you would have to do a lot to convince anyone Webwise was really anonymous.

IMHO they've blown it. And probably know it too.

And that's before you start considering the legal issues. RIPA, Copyright, etc.

Its a train wreck.

Wildie 06-06-2008 21:39

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
on a side note found this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ls-emails.html
talk about abuse of powers.

Dephormation 06-06-2008 21:50

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
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davethejag 06-06-2008 21:55

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
HI, BT trials reported here -

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...9430496,00.htm

http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/...017540361.html

http://www.computing.co.uk/computing...l-action-phorm

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=13320

Dave.

mark777 06-06-2008 22:35

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
@Dephormation

Pete,

that train reminds me of a graph of their share price. ;)

Florence 06-06-2008 22:39

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Just needs flipping over to look the same :D

Dephormation 06-06-2008 22:45

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34569703)
that train reminds me of a graph of their share price. ;)

Curious, near perfect fit;

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/06/75.jpg

mark777 06-06-2008 23:02

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34569717)
Curious, near perfect fit;

That's what you get when you drive a train around upstairs, where it doesn't belong.

Or put a snoop box into an ISP for that matter.

That's a great pic, needs blowing up for the demo and put on a stick!

EDIT: "It's a train wreck" would be a good punchline for the BT shareholders. (Handout leaflets etc.)


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