Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I noticed the VM logo missing too.

I'm on the webchat. Submitted 3 questions. Nada.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The Spin-O-Matic BS generator has probably broke down and they've got the tech team working on it right now. ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

....and now he's gone to bed.

Weak.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

this was his answer.

The particular server or software is less important than who controls them. The ISP will own the equipment but it may be running software from Phorm. However, the ISP has full visibility of the data that is flowing, and full control over it. As I said, the bottom line is that the ISP ensures that if you opt out, your data is never passed to Phorm.

so read yes your data goes to the Phorm kit in the Virgin POP site.

Yes Virgin will have full visibility of all my surfing habits via Phorm Deep Packet Inspection software. The question will be

Do i trust Virgin Media with that data. The answer is no due to the fact they are selling my data to a spyware and root kit company.

Could this company have a backdoor program sending the data anyway no matter what Virgin Do.

Would you trust that arrangement ????

So it looks like i will be moving to BE.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

At the beginning of the session, this was thrown into the pot by one of those present:

The official answer was:

I then asked in response to this:

An hour passes and it was not addressed. Ah well.

Having said that, does anybody recall being surveyed about wanting less adverts and phishing from VM in the past, no matter in how vague a context?

I have a text file transcript if anybody would be interested. PM me a throw away e-mail addess and I will send it, or I can post it all up here if there are no objections?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

My question didn't get answered he seemed to leave just after it :P

Q: The system is similar to ellacoya technology and streamshield except they are used to limit speeds when downloading from P2P at peak times. Phorm is more intrusive plus will slow down the internet experience. Am I correct
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Looks like I move to Bt line not getting in with this.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Would someone please post e-mail links for who to write to at Virgin Media regarding this Phorm business? I know it sounds weak, but the VM customer zone site is such a pile, I can never find anything useful on it, particularly when it comes to contacting them (come to think of it, that's probably what they're aiming for...).
I understand that the only legally provable way of contacting them is by registered snail mail, but until I can get that letter knocked into shape, I'd like to fire off as many e-mails as I can to VM on this subject to make sure they get the message that it's not going away...

Ta.:)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just how legal is this when those on the network going through Webwise are only shown adverts from thew OIX platform and any adverts on other websites you visit are removed from view?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That isn't what is happening.
A website may have 50% place holders for OIX ads and 50% for non OIX.
If a site hasn't registered with OIX and there are no OIX placeholders, the page will get ignored on its way back to you and all ad space will be non OIX as the designer intended.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Florence, as I understand the OIX system, other ads are not replaced. Phorm/OIX will buy ad panes on websites, then charge advertisers more than the standard "hit-or-miss" advertising rates to put their ads in those panes only on the screens of individuals whose Phorm profile indicates they are interested in that category of product. The net result is that different people viewing that same page will see a different advert at that position on the page depending on their Phorm profile. This is how Phorm hope to make money. Anyone who does not have a Phorm profile (i.e. opted-out, or not with an ISP that has signed-up to Phorm) will see a random ad at that position on that page, much as we all do now. There will continue to be other ad-panes on that webpage that are not owned or controlled by Phorm/OIX, but these will not be interfered with in any way by the Phorm system (although the Phorm hardware in the ISPs network could do this, it is clearly illegal and would result in jail sentences for company execs involved.) It is obviously Phorm's hope that if their system takes off, over time product sellers will abandon the other "non-targetted" advertising panes (companies) and bring their advertising to the Phorm/OIX platform because the selling success rate would (allegedly) be higher.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have done surveys for VM and the question regarding this was misleading, I can’t remember the exact phrasing, but it was something like this:-

“Would you prefer more relevant adverts as apposed to irrelevant ones”?

Now my obvious answer was ‘Yes’.

Had they mentioned using ‘Spyware / Adware’ to achieve this then my answer would have been a most definite NO.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Oh really - that's strange I don't remember being asked if I wanted this by my ISP... Anybody else get polled?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I figured it would be along those lines, I suppose it is not hard to manufacture that into a statement that we would like a product like Phorm. As you say, misleading.

Not a survey I think anyone could use to green flag a specific product without having first examined it, like the position we found ouselves.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I would not be suprised at these so called on line polls are his figment of his imagination. Apart from this one NOT seen any on places like VM website. If there out there no doubt there so called PR team are spamming them to distort them.

This PR team getting more like the government spin doctors who told us iraqis had weapons of mass destruction.

Instead having a message mailboxyou have mail.

Maybe we should now have you have phorm


The does seem very big conflict how close we are to going live.

VM seem to be trying to give an impression its not that close but phorm are actually doing the oposite.

I doubt we will be told despite VM assurances especially if its deemed not to be breaching rules.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No I never had a vote on the poll can I have my vote now a no

On another note just decided after visiting webwise to find and delete its cookie gues what my webwise search brought up...