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ianch99 31-03-2019 21:46

Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35989354)
The Government is meant to have the support of Parliament, the Queen is meant to take advice from Ministers because of that support. We effectively have a Zombie government at the moment.

To be strictly accurate, the Queen does not "take advice", she is told what to say by the Executive. Anything else where the Crown might ignore the will of the elected Government would constitute a constitutional crisis.

There may be theoretical powers that are historical anachronisms but they would never be used in practice.

Damien 31-03-2019 21:52

Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35989356)
To be strictly accurate, the Queen does not "take advice", she is told what to say by the Executive. Anything else where the Crown might ignore the will of the elected Government would constitute a constitutional crisis.

My point is more that the Queen doing what she is told by the Executive works on the assumption they have the support of Parliament. A Government that doesn't have the support of Parliament but is still going is a not a scenario I think our system envisions.

pip08456 31-03-2019 21:55

Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35989356)
To be strictly accurate, the Queen does not "take advice", she is told what to say by the Executive. Anything else where the Crown might ignore the will of the elected Government would constitute a constitutional crisis.

There may be theoretical powers that are historical anachronisms but they would never be used in practice.

The powers of the Monarch are purely symbolic nowadays. The Queen still has a place as the "Head" of the Country due to the billions of £'s drawn into the Country through tourism, etc.

ianch99 31-03-2019 22:01

Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35989358)
The powers of the Monarch are purely symbolic nowadays. The Queen still has a place as the "Head" of the Country due to the billions of £'s drawn into the Country through tourism, etc.

Agreed ..

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35989357)
My point is more that the Queen doing what she is told by the Executive works on the assumption they have the support of Parliament. A Government that doesn't have the support of Parliament but is still going is a not a scenario I think our system envisions.

You make a good point. I wonder when the last time the Executive was so powerless and riven? I think TM's powers of perspective have failed her. She has only one role really: to lead & represent a Cabinet, operating ideally on a basis of collective responsibility.

Once this M.O. breaks down then she and her Cabinet are surely no longer fit for purpose?

Chris 31-03-2019 22:15

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Not quite. They aren’t symbolic; they’re very real. They are, however, only exercised on advice (the conferring of the Order of Merit is an extremely rare exception). The monarch avoids a constitutional crisis by respecting a convention, not by obeying a law.

The powers of the sovereign have effectively been brought under democratic control because they are exercised by, or on the advice of, an Executive which is drawn from, and answerable to, our elected Parliament.

However, it is a delicious irony that our last line of defence against tyranny is that there is no law any government can usurp to give itself absolute power, because power has never been stripped from the Crown.

pip08456 31-03-2019 23:21

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35989361)
Not quite. They aren’t symbolic; they’re very real. They are, however, only exercised on advice (the conferring of the Order of Merit is an extremely rare exception). The monarch avoids a constitutional crisis by respecting a convention, not by obeying a law.

The powers of the sovereign have effectively been brought under democratic control because they are exercised by, or on the advice of, an Executive which is drawn from, and answerable to, our elected Parliament.

However, it is a delicious irony that our last line of defence against tyranny is that there is no law any government can usurp to give itself absolute power, because power has never been stripped from the Crown.

Parliament just beheaded it instead.:D:D:D

TheDaddy 01-04-2019 00:17

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35989358)
The powers of the Monarch are purely symbolic nowadays. The Queen still has a place as the "Head" of the Country due to the billions of £'s drawn into the Country through tourism, etc.

I dispute how many of those billions are directly attributable to them, people would still come, Versailles gets more visitors and there's nothing in there, especially not even a whiff of a royal

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35989366)
Parliament just beheaded it instead.:D:D:D

And then restored it, the institution that is not the head that was beyond sticking back on by the time thet got round to it and to quote Blackadder it had gone green

denphone 01-04-2019 05:26

Re: Brexit
 
Meanwhile the open civil war in Theresa Mays cabinet goes on unabated...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...et-rift-widens

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Theresa May’s government is on the verge of meltdown as cabinet ministers prepare to clash over whether to support plans for a softer Brexit and a possible lengthy delay before leaving the European Union.

papa smurf 01-04-2019 09:17

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Eurovision SHOCK as Britain will LEAVE song contest after Brexit


FEARS Britain was to be BANNED from the Eurovision Song Contest were growing today after the body governing the quality of European pop music warned hard Brexit might mean GB’s Eurovision exit.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...ews-eurovision

OLD BOY 01-04-2019 09:20

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35989396)
Eurovision SHOCK as Britain will LEAVE song contest after Brexit


FEARS Britain was to be BANNED from the Eurovision Song Contest were growing today after the body governing the quality of European pop music warned hard Brexit might mean GB’s Eurovision exit.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...ews-eurovision

Russia isn't in the EU.....More fake news?

mrmistoffelees 01-04-2019 09:30

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35989396)
Eurovision SHOCK as Britain will LEAVE song contest after Brexit


FEARS Britain was to be BANNED from the Eurovision Song Contest were growing today after the body governing the quality of European pop music warned hard Brexit might mean GB’s Eurovision exit.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...ews-eurovision

Crap April fools attempt? (by the Express, not yourself i hasten to add)

Chris 01-04-2019 09:31

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35989366)
Parliament just beheaded it instead.:D:D:D

True, and that was the one period of history when Parliament actually did strip the Crown of its powers ... but when Charles II was returned from exile and made King, all the Acts of Parliament passed under the Protectorate were declared invalid. Legally, it is as if it never happened. :spin:

papa smurf 01-04-2019 09:45

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35989398)
Crap April fools attempt? (by the Express, not yourself i hasten to add)



It's all true read this.

The Paris-based L’Institute de Eurovision Song - the pan-European body governing the continent’s pop output - warned leaving the EU could mean Great Britain’s glorious Eurovision history might come to an end. Britain’s Eurovision efforts have long been enjoyed across the continent and the nations has likewise enjoyed scrupulously fair adjudication at the hands of the Eurovision judges. Vaya Mentira, chief executive of LIES, said: “It has with a heavy heart that we have decided Britain should no longer compete in Eurovision.

Mr K 01-04-2019 09:48

Re: Brexit
 
Mmmm, the Queen all getting a bit desperate, suppose she's more reliable than JRM though ...

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35989375)
Meanwhile the open civil war in Theresa Mays cabinet goes on unabated...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...et-rift-widens

Good and predictable to see them tearing each other apart. Only positive from Brexit.

mrmistoffelees 01-04-2019 09:58

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35989403)
It's all true read this.

The Paris-based L’Institute de Eurovision Song - the pan-European body governing the continent’s pop output - warned leaving the EU could mean Great Britain’s glorious Eurovision history might come to an end. Britain’s Eurovision efforts have long been enjoyed across the continent and the nations has likewise enjoyed scrupulously fair adjudication at the hands of the Eurovision judges. Vaya Mentira, chief executive of LIES, said: “It has with a heavy heart that we have decided Britain should no longer compete in Eurovision.

ummm it's not....

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-best-14216917


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