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At least that’s now framed as a thought than a fact.

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And how is parliament going to prevent her getting away with giving it a tongue lashing? By refusing to back the deal? The deal without which the EU will not agree to extend the A50 deadline?

She and Tusk have been out on manoeuvres together, make no mistake about that. If parliament continues to assert itself, it will bring about a no deal scenario for which every MP who voted down the WA will be personally blamed.

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I am not sure she said anything to convince opposition MPs and whilst I agree they're pretty pathetic I include her just as much in that. There is so much she got wrong in this process: losing their majority, issuing article 50 without any plan in what she wanted, refusing to talk to other parties in spite of that lost majority until she lost the first vote, losing any basic trust by making promises about engagement or votes that never happened and so on. There was a suggest today of a Labour/Tory amendment that allows Parliament to give input on the next stage of talks, that's not going to be taken up.

And she wonders why the DUP don't trust any assurances they're given? And she wonders why the EU don't trust us on the backstop? She says anything to get though the day then drops it as soon as possible.

To be honest I fully expect that we'll break the withdrawal agreement before the two years is up anyway so the ERG might as well go for it, it's not going to be with the paper it's written on.

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Not really, the various comments coming from many MP’s on Twitter etc it seems to have the opposite affect she was hoping for.

Youre calling endgame far far to early

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There’s a very long way to go, between now and March 29th and June 30th, but it’s clear it’s Mays deal or Mays deal.

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They may be blamed but only by idiots, intelligent people will realise she is the one responsible and should it go wrong the Tory party will be held accountable for many years to come

There’s more to come on this, stuff that none of us political analyst wannabes are privy too

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The people who vote against the deal are responsible, but so will she be. And so will the rest of the government.

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Last week it was “May’s deal or no deal - we are leaving on March 29”.

If May was serious about no deal she’d just have done it.

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As I said the tories will sit in a political wasteland for years

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I waiting for jeremy beadle to pop up I'm sure it's all a setup

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And that is a genuine reason to vote for it and get past this hurdle, there will be future battles to be won.

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I agree, I would vote for it. But then I thought it was probably the best answer on the first vote too. I also think that it's the first step in moving on, the country is seriously and dangerously divided. Since then behaviour of her, the ERG and all of Parliament since has made me even more depressed and cynical about the whole thing that I thought possible.

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Tory MPs not happy it seems, might have made it less likely to pass unless the public really do rise up in support....

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Then after the outline planning, you changed everything completely and didn't deliver what you said you would; you have no one to complain to but yourself, as you didn't involve some of your neighbours after you had a small group of very vociferous neighbours (let's call them the Extensive Renovation Gardeners) said that some of the things you had agreed with the overall group were no longer acceptable, so you changed the plans, then found out that neither the ERG or the other neighbours were happy.

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How can an impotent parliament be stopping her deal? Impotent means unable to take effective action; helpless or powerless...

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Yes, cock on.

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Interesting quote from Andrew Neil

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1108403528387739649