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papa smurf 08-12-2021 10:28
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36104738)
Then if not an attempt as justification what was the point of your question?
Is asking a question not allowed now? it seems reasonable to ask if others have broken the rules even if it was just a little bit.

mrmistoffelees 08-12-2021 10:31
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36104739)
Is asking a question not allowed now? it seems reasonable to ask if others have broken the rules even if it was just a little bit.

To what relevance ?

Sephiroth 08-12-2021 10:35
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Now it gets interesting. If Boris is in an untenable position, a leadership contest would have to follow Party rules. The Cabinet (some) are on manoeuvres and will want to boil it down to last person standing in order to avoid a membership vote (see May for details).

The membership are in none-of-the-above mood as far as I can glean and would like other candidates for leadership to come forward. Exciting (I hope).

Hugh 08-12-2021 10:38
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36104738)
Then if not an attempt as justification what was the point of your question?
To be fair, he was probably asking rhetorically…

Which, by pure coincidence, is an anagram of "hairy troll (CE)"…

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36104742)
Now it gets interesting. If Boris is in an untenable position, a leadership contest would have to follow Party rules. The Cabinet (some) are on manoeuvres and will want to boil it down to last person standing in order to avoid a membership vote (see May for details).

The membership are in none-of-the-above mood as far as I can glean and would like other candidates for leadership to come forward. Exciting (I hope).
By pure chance…

https://www.chathamhouse.org/events/...icy-priorities
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In her first major speech as the UK Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Affairs, Liz Truss outlines her areas of focus and the UK’s foreign policy priorities.

Pierre 08-12-2021 10:41
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Sephiroth 08-12-2021 10:41
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Liz Truss would not be my choice. She has no public persona and her jokes fall flat.

mrmistoffelees 08-12-2021 10:48
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So, now the Department of Education admits to a gathering as well


'It was first revealed by the Daily Mirror last night, which said up to two dozen staff of former Education Secretary Gavin Williamson got together for drinks and canapes in the office on 10 December.

At the time, London was in Tier 2 restrictions which banned any indoor household mixing.

The department has admitted that a "gathering" was held for those who were already in the office and couldn't work from home.

"Drinks and snacks were brought by those attending and no outside guests or supporting staff were invited or present," a spokeswoman said.

"While this was work-related, looking back we accept it would have been better not to have gathered in this way at that particular time."''

From https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/59575030

jfman 08-12-2021 10:49
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They'll probably ditch Charles and make him the next king.
And then we can do what the French did. Job done.

Hugh 08-12-2021 10:53
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The legal system we have and the rule of law are far more responsible for our traditional liberties than any system of one man one vote. Any country or Government which wants to proceed towards tyranny starts to undermine legal rights and undermine the law.

Margaret Thatcher, Iain Dale (1997). “As I said to Denis--: the Margaret Thatcher book of quotations”, Robson Book Ltd
Speech to the European Foundation ("Freedom, Economic Liberty and the Rule of Law")

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You know we can't have freedom without a rule of law. This is a thing I'm always saying to countries who come out of tyranny. You can't have unconstrained freedom, you have to have a rule of law. And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say, well we've got a lot of regulations, the government makes them, the government dictates to us. That's not what a rule of law is, I say. It's having wise judges who decide fairly and whose decisions are taken and honoured. It's having your laws made in a parliament which is accountable to the people and which you know are going to be honourably administered. That's why we don't just call it law, we call it a rule of law. You cannot have freedom without a rule of law, and that is the most difficult thing, I think, to get into countries that have never known it. And if you don't have it, what you tend to get is corruption and that is death to freedom, it's death to truth, it's death to honour, it's death to democracy.

Pierre 08-12-2021 11:00
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104752)
Speech to the European Foundation ("Freedom, Economic Liberty and the Rule of Law")
I know she made speeches on law and order, just not the one in the picture you posted.

Hugh 08-12-2021 11:01
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36104756)
I know she made speeches on law and order, just not the one in the picture you posted.
We all make mistakes - except, in this case...

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I come last to what many would put first. The Rule of Law.

The first people to uphold the law should be governments. It is tragic that the Socialist Government, to its lasting shame, should have lost its nerve and shed its principles over the People's Republic of Clay Cross. And that a group of the Labour Party should have tried to turn the Shrewsbury pickets into martyrs.

On both occasions the law was broken. On one, violence was done. [end p41] No decent society can live like that. No responsible party should condone it. (Applause).

The first duty of Government is to uphold the law. If it tries to bob and weave and duck around that duty when its inconvenient, if government does that, then so will the governed, and then nothing is safe—not home, not liberty, not life itself.
https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/102777

1975 Oct 10
Margaret Thatcher
Speech to Conservative Party Conference

Maggy 08-12-2021 11:08
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It’s all fudge. It’s all sleight of hand. It’s all bare faced lying. It’s all hypocritical. It’s all move along nothing happening here.

Pierre 08-12-2021 11:09
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104757)
We all make mistakes - except, in this case...



https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/102777

1975 Oct 10
Margaret Thatcher
Speech to Conservative Party Conference
Damn! well done. Black belt googling.

mrmistoffelees 08-12-2021 11:11
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It’s all fudge. It’s all sleight of hand. It’s all bare faced lying. It’s all hypocritical. It’s all move along nothing happening here.
And the worst of it? It's all either ignored. Or attempted to be justified and accepted by a large percentage of the public.

daveeb 08-12-2021 11:54
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36104761)
And the worst of it? It's all either ignored. Or attempted to be justified and accepted by a large percentage of the public.
Aided and abetted by the majority of the tabloids, although tellingly even the Mail had the knives out today.


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