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Hugh 16-02-2019 14:26
Trump invokes "Emergency Powers" to build border wall
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46784315

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US President Donald Trump plans to make use of emergency powers to secure funding for his proposed US-Mexico border wall.

Invoking a national emergency could enable Mr Trump to bypass Congress and access military funds and resources. But what are these emergency powers, and is using them that simple?

What exactly is a state of emergency?

A state of emergency is usually declared in times of national crisis. In this case, Mr Trump has claimed there is a migration crisis on the US-Mexico border.

Declaring a national emergency gives the president "access to special powers that are contained in more than 100 other laws", said Elizabeth Goitein, co-director of the Brennan Center's Liberty and National Security Program.

Those powers effectively allow the president to bypass the usual political process.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...19-2?r=US&IR=T
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IT'S OFFICIAL: Trump declares national emergency to build his border wall

President Donald Trump on Friday declared a national emergency to address issues with border security and unilaterally build barriers along significant portions of the United States' border with Mexico.

The action, which ventures into new territory to circumvent Congress and redirect military funding for other purposes, has drawn condemnation and confusion from lawmakers in both political parties.

Trump made the announcement in the White House's Rose Garden, saying: "I'm going to be signing a national emergency. It's been signed many times before."

"They say walls don't work," Trump said. "Walls work 100% of the time."
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In a conference call with reporters before the announcement, senior administration officials detailed the plan, saying that in addition to the $1.4 billion for barrier construction appropriated by Congress, about $6 billion would be taken from Title 10 funding and $600 million would be tapped from the Treasury's forfeiture fund.

A senior administration official said the construction would follow the same design as the one appropriated by Congress, using a steel bollard wall instead of concrete or other prototype walls.
I think Trump may not have helped his case, if it is legally challenged, because he said in yesterday's press conference
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“I could do the Wall over a longer period of time - I didn’t need to do this, but I’d rather do it much faster,”
Full text of the speech here

Let me make it clear that the on-topic areas for discussion are the "Emergency Powers" and "The Wall", as they are inextricably linked.

Items such as the Mueller Investigation, or any other investigations by State Attorneys, are off-topic and will be removed, and if repeated, fracked.

pip08456 16-02-2019 14:30
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The ACLU have said they will be suing Trump in court "over today’s blatantly illegal declaration of a national emergency."

Damien 16-02-2019 16:55
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As far as I understand it the money can’t be used whilst being legally challenged so this could drag on into the next Presidential term be that a Democratic successor (in which case it’s likely not going to happen at all) or Trump which will mean awaiting to see what the legal outcome is. Although a second Presidential term probably means he has the political power to get congress to pass it .

pip08456 16-02-2019 21:04
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Its started already.

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A consumer advocacy group filed the first lawsuit late Friday challenging President Donald Trump's national emergency declaration, suing on behalf of Texas landowners and an environmental group who say they'll be affected by border wall construction.

The case, filed by Public Citizen in federal district court in Washington, DC, is the first of what are expected to be multiple lawsuits challenging Trump's unprecedented decision to declare a national emergency in order to access $3.6 billion in military construction funds to pay for more sections of the wall he promised to build along the US–Mexico border.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ency-border-wa

Sephiroth 17-02-2019 16:37
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If the Supreme Court backs Trump, maybe public confidence in the justice system will fall dramatically - in a normal country!

Mick 17-02-2019 18:41
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Wall or no wall - The radical extreme approach the pathetic Democrats are going in towards the hard left, will definitely assure a Trump 2020 Presidential win.

Damien 17-02-2019 19:16
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Well that's the other thing that's happening, the Democratic Primary is starting to get it's candidates.

pip08456 17-02-2019 19:18
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American elections do seem to run on for a long time. They do have to start early.

Damien 17-02-2019 19:21
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The first primary is January 2020 but the real attention starts in the 'Fall', or Autumn as those of us who speak English call it, when the debates start as will the real campaigning. After the Summer it'll be the full thing.

pip08456 17-02-2019 22:25
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Hugh 17-02-2019 22:48
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Full Trump speech - 50 minutes long

pip08456 19-02-2019 08:19
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16 states sue President Donald Trump over emergency declaration for border wall.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/16-states-...l_twitter_abcn

Mick 19-02-2019 09:43
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And all of them with pathetic “Democrat” State Attorney Generals.

Pierre 19-02-2019 10:20
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The similarities between this an Brexit are clear. The man got elected on a manifesto to build a wall, whether you agree with it or not. Other politicians are trying to stop him from delivering what people voted for.

This is what politics has become on both sides of the Atlantic. Unless politicians start to address the concerns of their population and deliver on the mandate they have been given the Trumps of this world will continue. After Trump there will just be another clone appear running on the same ticket.

nomadking 19-02-2019 10:56
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Quite sinister really. Trying to overturn democratic results by the backdoor.


Bit disingenuous using cost as an argument, because didn't the Democrat budget proposals cost even more? Especially when you add in the cost of the Democrat induced shutdown.

Mick 19-02-2019 11:55
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BREAKING: U.S Senator, Bernie Sanders has announced his bid for the Democratic Nomination for U.S President in 2020 Elections.

Bernie Sanders is a bit Jeremy Corbyn like, Socialist to the core.

pip08456 19-02-2019 12:14
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Medicare, Medicaid and other systems are very important and Bernies NHSesque solution may well appeal to many voters.

Still wondering what this has to do with emergency powers and the wall though.

As you quite rightly advise to stay on topic I don't see why you threw this one in.

Hugh 19-02-2019 12:52
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35983706)
Quite sinister really. Trying to overturn democratic results by the backdoor.


Bit disingenuous using cost as an argument, because didn't the Democrat budget proposals cost even more? Especially when you add in the cost of the Democrat induced shutdown.
Congress controls spending - the Emergency Powers are a way to get round Congressional oversight, and Trump said himself he didn’t need to do it this way.

Mick 19-02-2019 12:57
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Yes he did when prior to his Presidency, Democrats voted on having a border wall. But you know, coz it’s Trump n’ that..... :rolleyes:

Mick 19-02-2019 13:10
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35983717)
Medicare, Medicaid and other systems are very important and Bernies NHSesque solution may well appeal to many voters.

Still wondering what this has to do with emergency powers and the wall though.

As you quite rightly advise to stay on topic I don't see why you threw this one in.
Trump is the President and the premise of this topic. U.S Elections will involve the re-election of him. The emergency powers ties him in to helping him get re-elected as it shows his base the determination to build the wall. I’m on topic sort of and not discussing what Hugh said was not permitted to be discussed.

1andrew1 28-02-2019 06:50
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Given that the talks in Vietnam have broken up and the allegations made against the President, efforts to build the wall will doubtless increase.

Mr K 28-02-2019 13:40
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Can't help thinking the idea of a wall is flawed. What if they go round, below or above it ? Lets face it, 30 miles of rough sea doesn't stop people getting into this country, if they really want.... The wall seems to be more of a trophy than deterrent for Trump now.

Stephen 01-03-2019 13:34
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35984746)
Can't help thinking the idea of a wall is flawed. What if they go round, below or above it ? Lets face it, 30 miles of rough sea doesn't stop people getting into this country, if they really want.... The wall seems to be more of a trophy than deterrent for Trump now.
Considering that most of the people entering the country do so via boat or plane or official road entry points, then a wall really won't do much. Total waste of money. Not to mention that border crossings and crime in border towns is actually a lot lower than anywhere else. Most crimes are commuted by Americans.

People entering the country are doing so to get away from baad situations, so they are less likely to commit crimes due to wanting a better life and not draw attention to themselves.

RichardCoulter 01-03-2019 14:23
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It looks to me like the wall is more symbolic than practical.

Mr K 01-03-2019 21:31
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35984873)
It looks to me like the wall is more symbolic than practical.
Well Hadrian's wall didn't work with the Scots did it ? They are bleeding everywhere ! ;)

pip08456 01-03-2019 22:05
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35984936)
Well Hadrian's wall didn't work with the Scots did it ? They are bleeding everywhere ! ;)
It did when the Builders manned it.

Hugh 02-03-2019 09:10
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35984937)
It did when the Builders manned it.
It stopped large scale attempted incursions, because the Romans could mass the troops (from the posts along the wall) when they were attempted - it didn’t stop small groups crossing.

This was an opinion piece written nearly six years ago, about the HS2

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog...ake-so-is-hs2/
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I live not far from the line of Hadrian’s Wall and I often take visitors to marvel at its almost 1,900-year-old stones. That the Romans could build 80 miles of dressed stone fortification, 15ft high and 9ft wide, over crags and bogs with a small fort every mile, is indeed a marvel. It was one of Rome’s most expensive projects.

Yet I often ask visitors as they marvel: did it work? The answer is no. The Roman garrison was too strung out to defend the whole thing at once. Within 30 years it had been successfully attacked by the barbarians; within 40 it had been abandoned for a new wall in Scotland; when that did not work and Hadrian’s Wall became the boundary again, it was overrun by barbarians several times. Did it exclude or pacify the tribes of northern Britain? I doubt it.

Ah, say the historians and Latin teachers, but you misunderstand the purpose of the wall. It was never meant as a Maginot Line. It was a sort of extended customs zone to control the border region. Or, goes another theory, “it was simply a psychological demonstration of Roman imperial power, intended to cow the natives into submission and provide a lasting monument to Hadrian himself”.

Sorry, but we are supposed to justify one of Rome’s most expensive building projects — costing, let’s say, 50 billion denarii — on the grounds that it might have impressed a few woad-stained, hairy organic farmers? Or to manage queues at immigration while selling them duty-free otters’ tongues?

There is no getting away from the fact that Hadrian’s Wall, marvel thought it was, was probably a bureaucratic blunder. Confronted with raids, a peevish emperor naively suggested building a big wall, nobody dared to tell him it was mad, a bunch of toga-clad Sir Humphreys gave the contracts to their relatives, and the local Nimbys were brushed aside.
A bit tongue in cheek, as it’s an article against the HS2, but it makes salient* points.

*see what I did there... :D

1andrew1 14-03-2019 19:19
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Just seen newsflash advising that Trump's latest bid for funding has failed. Maybe he should have taken some negotiating tips from Theresa May. ;)

pip08456 14-03-2019 19:31
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35986675)
Just seen newsflash advising that Trump's latest bid for funding has failed. Maybe he should have taken some negotiating tips from Theresa May. ;)
That won't stop anything, he will still carry on under "Emergency powers".

1andrew1 14-03-2019 19:58
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35986676)
That won't stop anything, he will still carry on under "Emergency powers".
They're being overturned.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/14/p...ion/index.html

pip08456 14-03-2019 20:00
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Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
16m16 minutes ago

I look forward to VETOING the just passed Democrat inspired Resolution which would OPEN BORDERS while increasing Crime, Drugs, and Trafficking in our Country. I thank all of the Strong Republicans who voted to support Border Security and our desperately needed WALL!

Hugh 14-03-2019 20:08
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The Resolution blocks Trump's emergency declaration - that's all.

It doesn't tear down any border fencing or dissolve the Border Patrol or change US immigration law.

How does it open borders?

pip08456 14-03-2019 20:17
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35986684)
The Resolution blocks Trump's emergency declaration - that's all.

It doesn't tear down any border fencing or dissolve the Border Patrol or change US immigration law.

How does it open borders?
Doesn't matter, he vetoes the resolution and carries on building. It needed a bigger majority to block presidential veto.

pip08456 14-03-2019 23:30
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1 Attachment(s)
White House release.

pip08456 16-03-2019 12:02
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A defiant President Trump issues first veto over border emergency declaration

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/defi...l_twitter_abcn

As expected.


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