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l echo those thoughts.:)

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This is the way.

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Outstanding first episode in the second season, with *a lot* of Easter Eggs.

Very Nice! Watch!

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Just grabbed a copy. I need to recode the sound as the TV doesn't like the original encoding. We'll watch this on the weekend. :)

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I watch using my daughter’s Disney+ subscription (I’m set up as a profile) - she does the same on our Netflix sub.

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I'm rewatching season 1 again to build up to this one!

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Will watch it tonight, looking forward to it.

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Yep. We've got a slot in the TV schedule tonight to view it. Looking forward to it.

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Yep, just watched it, very good. :D

The aspect ratio changed during the battle as well.

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Sand people ride in single file, to hide their numbers ... :D

Loved it. Can’t wait for more.

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Was that supposed to be Boba fett’s armour then?

And the sheriffs bike was a repurposed pod racer engine.

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And did you see who the person in the last shot was?

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Excellent first episode. Probably need to re-watch it to get all the meanings.

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We are going to watch it tonight as video calling with family last night.

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Yes and yes.

I know he's supposed to be significant but I couldn't place him. Do tell ...

It wasn't the evil Moff dude from last season was it?

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The actor was Temuera Morrison - who played Jango Fett in Attack of the Clones, and who was cloned to create stormtroopers

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Flipping Nora .... you’d have to be a complete nerd to have spotted that :D

Very good spot though.

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I wasn't impressed, it was just another planet and another adventure-of-the-week episode like all the others in season 1. I was expecting it to continue where season 1 finished. Rather staying with the procedural/A-team/Airwolf/Knight Rider theme I think this series would seriously benefit from going down the route of The Boys and Expanse in having a proper deep structured story told across the season. He can still go to different planets and meet people as part of that but at least we would get somewhere and the story would move on and develop. All he is doing atm is hopping from planet to planet dragging baby yoda along with him. The novelty has worn off now and the high production quality can't carry it. Which planet and random group of people is he going to be fighting next week?

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:rolleyes:

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Well it's true. What substantively has happened over the last 11 episodes in terms of character development, what we know about the universe and how has the core story developed and moved on? It hasn't. I enjoy watching it but the only thing keeping it going is the production quality and action. It could be sooooo much better story wise.

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It could do this, at which point it would make the fatal error of disappearing up fandom’s ar$e. The story arc in Mandalorian is a gentle one and each episode is reasonably self contained, much the same as the original films were. The universe continuity is fun but unobtrusive; you either get it or you don’t, and it doesn’t matter either way. The barrier to participation is deliberately low.

Yes, the linear tv style self-contained episodic format is old fashioned in comparison to the modern streaming fashion for one story tightly binding chapters together, but the evidence is that it is a big hit with its broad target audience. Remember the property is owned by Disney now and the Mouse has a particular idea how to produce this sort of stuff. Recognition of “baby Yoda” spreads far further than the show itself. That is quite deliberate, and when some of those people eventually subscribe and watch the show they will find something they can enjoy and engage with at whatever level they choose.

Notwithstanding the above, chapter 9 obviously does serve the arc - Mando went to Tattoine in search of another Mandalorian, in the hope that this individual had information that might further the quest for The Child’s home world. That was signalled very clearly at the top of the episode.

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General - maybe you just need to come to terms with the fact this series unfortunately isn't for you.

there are tv shows I used to watch, sometimes you just have to let go, ppl change, it's just one of those things, I wish I had time to watch tv shows I don't like, I don't have time to watch everything I want to ;)

I like the way it's simple, you know what they say, you can't please all the people all the time.

The original films were simple, that worked, that's why a lot of us fell in love with Star Wars.

I actually like Ep 1-3 as well, but some ppl's rose tinted glasses got ruined by them, the political ongoings of that and the Clone Wars series put some ppl off, got tedious. So, they remove all the background stuff which gets in the way of the interesting and fun battles, and then ppl moan it's too basic.

At the end of the day, it is what it is, which for you, unfortunately isn't what you want it to be.

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Well, the average audience score on rotten tomatoes is 93% (as was the latest episode), so the general viewing public seem to like it.

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As mentioned The Mandalorian is a western, if you've just finished Game of Thrones it's going to seem too simple by comparison.

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That wasn't just any random planet and people though. This episode had many easter eggs and links to the original trilogy.

I prefer the simple approach,

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All l can say to keep it simple is the family all enjoyed it.:tu:

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exactly. If this was any other series I would let it go but with it being Star Wars it deserves to be so much better. I get the impression this is "Star Wars: Kids Version".

I know and I appreciated it. It added a special touch to it which glossed over the weekly planet hop adventure. It was okay in season 1 to establish the story and characters but they need to move forward now given the alleged gravity of the situation. They can still visit different planets and locations if they want to but it needs to be realistic and embedded in a proper deep meaningful storyline.

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I think you might have misunderstood Star Wars.

Leave aside for the moment all the extended universe stuff which is all nerd porn to a greater or lesser extent. Think Ewoks, think jawas, think Jarjar Binks for flip’s sake.

This TV series is absolutely consistent with George Lucas’ original vision for his universe, as seen on the big screen.

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And yet Star Wars has always been for kids, so that shows that it did its job.

Realistic Star Wars? Yawn. Not everything has to be realistic, sometimes it ruins a show.

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To try and clarify people's terms which I think are getting people confused.

Mandalorian is something like a Western set in the star wars universe. It isn't "Star Wars" because "Star Wars" is a space opera - something with epic sagas and battles with princesses and maybe magic.

As such Mandalorian is more "realistic" with the exception of baby yoda. It is about one low status mercenary trying to make his way with a child. He isn't a great hero or prince doing epic battle for a noble political cause.

Compared to "Star Wars" it feels small and insignificant, because from Luke Skywalker's point of view, he is.

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Its simple and doesn't have a huge cast of characters. It doesn't have many different plot points going on at o ce, this is what makes it so good. Well written, directed and shot.

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Got the next episode "The Confrontation" to watch this evening. I'm happy that each episode is self contained within the main theme.

A leaked title list has appeared:

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Another strong offering tonight. Very happy.

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It was all good until the end. I was going through it thinking "this is getting interesting, i wonder how they are going to get out of this" and they went and pulled an A-team.

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That...........


I thought it was going to go a bit “ Alien” at one point.........

I enjoyed it, hate spiders, and genuinely recoiled at some moments, and laughed at the egg snaffling.

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Yes he did. Life support is one thing but there is no way you are telling me the hydraulics, power relays and structural integrity survived everything the ship endured.

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The ship also endured being dismantled and reassembled in the desert by Jawas.

Razorcrest is ancient, of simple design and demonstrably hardwearing (as is generally the case with spacecraft in the Star Wars universe ... Luke’s x-wing survived being submerged on Dagobah and again, for years, on Ahch-To).

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You do realise it is a tv programme about interstellar space travel, sentient alien life forms, robots and mystical forces, and you’re going to try and pull it up on factual accuracy?

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When you literally smash a ship into the planet a bit of welding isn't going to get it up and running again. What happened is the stupidest and last thing I was expecting to see. I thought either Yoda was going to do some jedi magic or the rebel pilots were going to give him a hand. I would have been happy with either of those. Instead we had a couple of hour of welding which magically fixed any fuel and oil leaks in the engines, fixed any delicate components in the engines etc etc etc..........

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I really don’t get where you’re coming from. Star Wars tech has always been portrayed as rugged, simple and, often, barely serviceable. The entire plot of the Empire Strikes Back hinges on it. Everything is always blowing up, getting patched up and carrying on. I can only imagine you’ve filled your head with a ton of low-grade extended universe stuff, or else you’re confusing it with the sort of pseudoscientific crud you read in the Star Trek Technical Manual.

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The Falcon was always breaking down and falling apart. They usually foxed it with a bit of welding or snacking the console.

Star Wars tech is not meant to be realistic or anything.

They managed to seal the cockpit and patch up the engines enough to limp to the planned planet. Without Hyperspace travel. So I see nothing wrong in the way the ship was repaired. It was a patch job just to enable to to have basic flight.

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are you suggesting that he should have bypassed the ODN relay and rerouted power from the primary phase coil?

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The lack of faster-than-light travel this week was interesting. When the falcon did it in Empire it had the feel of old-fashioned b-movie sci fi whose writers didn’t really have any concept of how big a galaxy is. When they repeated it in The Last Jedi (deliberately I’m sure; TLJ is all about the question of destiny and whether history truly repeats itself) I found it curious because by this point in the development of the genre there’s no question that writers working in it understand that you can’t get from anywhere to anywhere within a human lifetime using a rocket motor.

However in this week’s Mandalorian they were quite explicit that there is an engine technology in the Star Wars universe that can cross modest interstellar distances without hyperdrive. Of course they haven’t wasted any time explaining how that is meant to work - that’s Star Trek’s purview. Star Wars is science fantasy, and it should be enough for us to know what can happen, without needing to know how.

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Of course. The destination planet must have been in the next sector as seen in the route plan shown. With Mando having a sleep it was clearly going to take a number of hours. It was all perfectly credible and acceptable in the universe I have known for decades.

TLJ and Solo both seemed to confuse things by introducing the concept of fuel in the universe and that it was a finite source that needed topping up. That for me was the daftest thing to appear in the recent movies.

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Ship's going to need a bit more patching up if the main hull cannot hold pressure. All those horrid spiders. Ugh.

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yeah, I hope they address that in the next episode and they don't magically move onto another story and the ship is as good as new again. If they do it will be the last straw for me.

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I don't think this is the show for you. It seems like you're just complaining about every episode and they can't do anything right.

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it's funny, the complaints about the show, seem to be, that it's not the show you're looking for. I've said it before, it is what it is, pure simple Star Wars fun, just like the original films.

This did aid the story, new contacts, some history with the Rebellion etc, who knows what we might find next week.

maybe you shoudl watch this and relax



I dread to think what some of you are going to say about the new Holiday special

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Even if a few days or weeks or so has past. Giving them time to repair ?

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that's fine but they need to at least reference and acknowledge the fact that the ship has been repaired. And if we are doing a time jump, are we also going to forget about the eggs and wanting to know the outcome of the journey and that storyline? If so, pretty pointless story and only there to justify the ship crashing and the spider attack.

You can't tell me that if they jump 3 weeks and he is now on another planet somewhere else that you don't want to know if he made it to his destination, got the eggs their safely and how he managed to get his ship repaired?

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Not really. I'm assuming that if time has passed and the ship is repaired, that they made it to the planet. The eggs were delivered and the ship got repaired and they went on their merry way.

I don't need to know all the details, I can work it out in my head that the points were resolved. I can then just enjoy the next episode.

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They dont "need" to do anything. ;)

I suggest you just stop watching it, and leave the rest of us keep on enjoying it.

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:tu:

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What do you want, an invoice and receipts?

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continuity


To raise another point now that you have asked, there must be a technical term to describe a story that is told from a single person's perspective. Normally scenes would alternate between characters to progress the story and let the audience know what is happening in different locations yet The Mandalorian is solely focused on one character. The point I am trying to make is given the build up to the end of season 1, what is Moff Gideon doing and where is he? Given what has happened he hasn't shrugged his shoulders and said "well let's just move on". It is these little details I like to know if he is going to be make an appearance at some point and come back to kick ass.

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Did you feel the same when Luke got his X-Wing back from Bespin City (without any explanation in the original trilogy) after he lost his hand, dropped a couple of hundred feet, and was rescued by Lando)?

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The level of detail you’re looking for would require us to have watched the Starcrest’s privy in use, after it was referenced about halfway through the episode.

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in RotJ, Leia turns up in Boushh's clothes. we were never told how the Rebels got them etc, did that bother you back then?

I think the story has been told in a book, or comic, or something since then, but at the time, we just accepted it.

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I think the clue is in the title of the show. It is called The Mandalorian because the story is about him.

It is a certainty that Moff Gideon will turn up again considering Esposito has said he will play a larger role in the second season.

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The story is primarily about The Mandelorian, and baby yoda (officially called The Child). I suspect Moff Gideon will be back (and the actor has already said he is involved in the season, so unless they've cast him in another part, Gideon will be back) when the story requires.

This sort of happening is one of the uses of McGuffins. How many times has Dr Who's Sonic Screwdriver suddenly gained a previously unmentioned feature when the Doctor needs to get out of a situation?

You'll probably find there is some sort of explanation involving the force, or some sort of autopilot that can take off from a planet, fly across space (including hyperspace if needed) then approach and land on another planet, or dock with a space ship with little or no pilot intervention.

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It’s called first-person perspective and it’s comparatively rare in film and tv. It’s much more common in literature. The demands of storytelling on film make it much harder to sustain.

There’s a list of first-person perspective films on Wikipedia (although I’m not convinced all of them are, strictly, in that category).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...on_perspective

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exactly :luv:

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Got "The Heiress" to watch this evening. Quite short at only 33:02

Seems the title list that was leaked is a load of rubbish.

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What a great, if short episode. Takes place immediately after the previous episode. Ship is in some state now.

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That will keep the General happy!:D

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Aye it was an excellent episode. The length didn't bother me, it cuts out the filler.

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Top drawer episode.

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l can only echo those same sentiments.:tu:

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Another strong episode. "A thousand credits, is that the best you can do?"

Well at least the ship's space worthy.

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I think this weeks ep was the best yet. I am glad to see they took my advice. Maybe I should be a creative consultant at Lucasfilm :rofl:

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Well I don't think they read CF and wouldn't have taken your advice. The episodes were written and filmed a while back. They obviously planned it this way.

The crest really needs some proper repair work done.

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I think GM was joking....

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You missed some seriously low-flying sarcasm there :D

---------- Post added at 22:20 ---------- Previous post was at 22:19 ----------

I caught up with it tonight and kept thinking to myself that this, surely, must make the General happy :rofl:

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If you haven't keeping track NASA have just sent a new crew up to the International Space Station and the Japanese astronaut has taken baby Yoda with him :D






https://youtu.be/aT4rITutAwA?t=9848

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Yeah, Im not watching a 3.5 hour video :erm:

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I thought i had set the link to the correct time stamp. If it isnt working zip forward to 2hrs 44 mins.

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I don’t think the time stamp feature works with vB embedding.

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I have edited the post to put a direct link in.

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That worked ok.

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Sorry I missed this earlier. Do not, on any account, attempt this. It invalidates your warranty and seriously pi553s off the spacedock foreman.

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Downloading "The Siege" to watch tonight. :)

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See, you can still have your weekly punch ups while progressing the main storyline and dealing with the incidentals (i.e. getting the ship fixed). Normally I would want a creative consultants fee but in this case I am just happy to make my mark on the Star Wars universe. The Force is with me.

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There was a very pleasing quantity of fanwhank in that episode :D

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Plenty of stormtroupers getting whacked. Like the last one from the speeder when you see the helmet rolling along in the wake.

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I was idly wondering how to present an in-universe explanation for the sheer uselessness of storm troopers, over coffee this morning ... I can only think that the imperial command’s strategy was to have so many of them in so many places that they would instil fear of an apparently insurmountable enemy, but that the sheer numbers of them also made anything more than basic training implausible (and, if they did successfully terrorise the populace, unnecessary).

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t would help if they spent more time on a range practising their aim.

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Beskar is a handy plot device because it allows a stormtrooper to occasionally score a hit without the show losing its main character.

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TIE fighters definitely need better targetting computers, the current ones could not hit a barn door !

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Next episode - "The Jedi" to watch tonight. :)

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Just finishing watching it now. Excellent it is.

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What a fantastic episode and is by far the best yet. I didn't know what to do 10 seconds into the episode, I wanted to scream, wet myself, poo my pants and jump out of my chair all at the same time.

This is an episode of purity and meaning and epitomises what it is to be Star Wars. They have hit the nail on the head and proven that you can have your weekly punch up whilst simultaneously progressing and expanding the main story line. I hope they continue to fix what was my gripe in season 1 which was characters and depth. There are too many cheesy quirky gimmicks in each ep and not enough substance. This episode struck the perfect balance, helped baby Yoda to become more of a real being and has greatly improved the realism factor of the character and the universe. I just hope it continues. If they can continue this week after week the series will be superb.

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They did nothing fundamentally different than any other week. The difference that’s got you peeing your pants is a decision to reference a couple of extended universe characters, plus Yoda. You’re claiming this is somehow all pure and meaningful but I’m sorry I find that reaction a bit shallow.

The Mandalorian has been an unqualified success for Disney+ with characters that have gained recognition far beyond the actual audience. It tells straightforward, easy to follow stories in a universe that is both familiar and new. It does this week in, week out, to great acclaim. And Mrs and I enjoyed it equally as much this evening, even though I got the Grand Admiral Thrawn reference and she didn’t.

And yes, I bought and read the original Thrawn trilogy as it was published. I like Star Wars a lot, but I like the Mandalorian for its ability to move through the Star Wars universe without feeling obliged to initiate fangasms week after week.

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Thrawn was in Star Wars Rebels as well.

Another good episode, and a bit longer again this week. :)

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Indeed. And I know a lot of fanbois were sorely peeved that he didn’t show up in the final 3 saga films. But if they’re going to use a version of him in the saga continuity (it can only be a version, because his original novels from 1991-1993 have been disqualified) the Mandalorian is as good a place as any to do it.

That said, I really don’t think we’re going to see Mando drawn into the whole remnants-of-empire rearguard action. That isn’t the point of the series and it isn’t who he is.

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Correct, and it is the easy to follow stories which are shallow. It is a very Airwolf/A-team style series where you just hop from planet to planet every week for the weekly scrap. It would be believable if the series was just about his bounty hunter adventures but it isn't. There is supposed to be this big important story of how he is trying to reunite baby Yoda with his people and keep him safe and that doesn't gel with visiting every planet you come across and leaving him with random people. Imho they have got the balance wrong in storytelling and haven't put enough emphasis on the saving Yoda storyline and it is all revolving justifying and establishing the weekly punch ups. The last couple of episodes though look like they are changing direction and give me hope.

Incorrect. I know nothing of the extended universe so referencing Admiral thingy at the end and anyone else I might have missed didn't mean anything to me. You made the important point that the series exists in a universe that we know and when that happens efforts have to be made to keep the universe alive and make you believe that what you are seeing and experiencing is in keeping and part of that universe. There are two things that did it for me in that episode. The first one was seeing the Jedi, seeing her in action and listening to her talk about the force and interacting with baby Yoda. The purity and meaning I mentioned is how this is done. It isn't enough to say it or do some cheesy trick with the force. It is how it is executed from the tone of the dialogue (the Jedi believes what she is saying) and the manner in which it is executed. You believed every word she was saying and that she was a real Jedi, she lived the life and was determined to uphold her beliefs and values no matter the cost. That all comes across and is why these insignificant subtleties you don't care about matter. It all adds to the realism factor. They could have showed you somebody dancing around the forest with a lightsaber, waving their arm around and throwing some trees with the Force and saying they are a Jedi and you would have been happy with that but it would have been a disservice to the Jedi and Star Wars. You can slap all the locations and characters in a series you want but they are just cardboard unless they behave and interact the way you know they should do in a given situation and the experience is believable and realistic.
The second was (finally) getting some back story on baby Yoda, where he came from and why he is in his current predicament and what needs to happen going forward, These kind of things add depth to the character and story, give the story structure and make everything more realistic. If understanding Yoda's backstory isn't significant and doesn't hold any value then it doesn't matter whether he is in it or not. Kill him off in the next episode and Mando can continue to be on the run plodding from one planet to the next and all is good.
What is shallow is that you seem content for them to throw anything and everything into the series and say "it's ok, I know it is in Star Wars and I don't need to know anything else". Maybe when Mando lands on the next planet we have Jabba the Hut and the Millenium Falcon in the background. Everyone can get excited about seeing them but we don't need to know how or why they are there.

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Quite.

I think it’s pretty clear which one of us has the better appreciation of how a Jedi should be portrayed. For the record, she was well written and performed and she helped further the story. The Child is after all a youngling of the temple so it’s not random fan service to throw in a Jedi knight from time to time. But this series is about how one orphan saves another. It’s about a bounty hunter who is shown to have an honour code. It’s about his struggle to reconcile the two (which is why we see him frequently juggling the Child while trying to help every hopeless cause he comes across. It’s a pity this pretty fundamental piece of character exploration keeps going over your head, because it’s this, and not Yoda-esque monologues about the Force, that drives the story).

You still seem to be having trouble separating the saga films from a weekly serial, aimed at a family audience, and deliberately designed as a pastiche of a 1950s western. Which is a shame because they really couldn’t have laid on the lone gunslinger motif any thicker this week if they’d used a trowel.

If you’re not familiar with the extended universe, then I recommend you dip into it. Not all of it is entirely canon, particularly not Grand Admiral Thrawn as originally written because those original novels develop some of the main saga characters in ways that were later overruled by episodes 7-9 (to the annoyance of some fans). But they will give you an idea of how the wider Star Wars universe actually works, outside of the massive, multi-generational family empire saga that is told in the nine principal films. The Mandalorian is made by people who know how that universe works (Kathleen Kennedy in particular, produced all five Star Wars films released since 2015), and what they are making is entirely consistent with it.