[update] Santa Fe school shooting: 10 dead and 10 wounded in Texas
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44173954

Up to 10 dead. Light casualties by recent standards. :(

Re: Another American school shooting
 

Sadly its the same depressing scenario we have seen many times before.:(

Re: Another American school shooting
 

Shock, outrage, 'but we have a right to bear arms and shoot people...'
'Lets give the teachers weapons' is Trump's fantastic idea, until a kid nicks it, or a teacher loses their temper/gun.
Repeat and repeat, mad country, there's no helping them.

Re: Another American school shooting
 

Re: Another American school shooting
 

If people go off the deep end and decide they want to kill others they will find a way. For me the most important part of these incidents isn't that firearms of whatever kind were used it's what's making these people do this and why it's escalating there are clearly some very troubling social issues here that need addressing. I doubt that will be the narrative on the media it will be more pushing of the firearms ban agenda i expect we will see the usual suspects turning up in short order to use the situation and families of the victims to further their agenda.

Re: Another American school shooting
 

But if tougher immigration laws will reduce illegal immigration (as is being proposed), why won’t tougher gun laws reduce gun crime?

No one has said gun ban, that’s just an NRA scare tactic - there’s a huge difference between gun control and gun ban; when they brought in drink drive laws, it didn’t involve banning all cars.

btw, "further their agenda" - you mean, the agenda of not wanting school kids slaughtered? I’d support that agenda.

There have been 22 school shootings this year in the USA - thoughts and prayers aren’t working, so why don’t we try something else?

How did the murderer get those guns? Someone should legally responsible for those guns.

If the murderer got his guns from his father as rumored, then the dad should be legally responsible for failure to properly secure the guns. But that only works if there are enforceable laws in place regarding gun storage in the home. If that law doesn't exist, then it should.

Such a law would not prevent any responsible citizen from owning a gun. It doesn't infringe on 2nd Amendment rights, because it simply requires that the gun owner be held legally responsible for their guns, just like car owners are legally responsible for their cars.

The right laws make crime far less likely by modifying irresponsible/inappropriate behaviours, and by giving society legal recourse to hold people accountable for their actions - surely this is better than just repeating "thoughts and prayers" and doing nothing.

If we do nothing, nothing will change.

Re: Another American school shooting
 

Exactly nothing will change so why are we wasting time talking about it, let them get on with it, they obviously think burying all these kids is a price worth paying so get on with it and don't come bleating when it all to predictably happens again

Re: Another American school shooting
 

Wonder if this daft bint still thinks this is a good idea.

Just be thankful you don't live there, UK may have it's own issues, but that isn't one of them.

Re: [update] Santa Fe school shooting: 10 dead and 10 wounded in Texas
 

We got far more pressing issues with knife crime, in London, which is this side of the pond.

I don't agree with guns but the U.S has their culture and they have guns, we don't and over here, we have a useless London Mayor doing nothing about it, except whining about hate speech online, oh and the latest, this week banning junk food ads in public places. Such a priority, while gangs stab to death other gang members in London, doesn't seem a high priority to Mr Khan.

Re: [update] Santa Fe school shooting: 10 dead and 10 wounded in Texas
 

Knifes are harder to ban as they have a legitimate and every day usage. That said we do at least try and control it making it illegal to carry one on you in public. The problem is the US is that they seem to take the smallest, if any, steps to control guns.

That said I don't really think the issues relate to each other.

Re: [update] Santa Fe school shooting: 10 dead and 10 wounded in Texas
 

Many years ago as a butcher for Dewhursts I was frequently sent to other outlets as a relief, holidays sickness etc.

We all had our own issue knives, just like chefs you keep your own knives and look after them yourself.

Obviously they would normally remain at your usual outlet but when going on relief had to be carried with you. There were strict rules on that. A thick tape was applied to the cutting edge to essentially render it blunt while travelling. They had to be in either bound in a "knife wrap" or case so as not to be readily available and the police would be informed of the starting point and time of journey, route and eta at the destination.

Re: [update] Santa Fe school shooting: 10 dead and 10 wounded in Texas
 

Wow I didn't know it was that strict! I assumed the police were given their discretion to decide if the carrying of a knife was legitimate.

Re: [update] Santa Fe school shooting: 10 dead and 10 wounded in Texas
 

I don't really know if it was (legally) that strict, it was company policy. IIRC one employee was arrested in London in a routine (at that time) stop and search. I can't remember the detail though, it was back in the mid 1970's.

The policy may have been implemented after this with discussion with the Met, I don't think it had any legal standing but was rolled out across the company to save future complications.

Re: [update] Santa Fe school shooting: 10 dead and 10 wounded in Texas
 

As a boy scout (mid to late 60's) I and others regularly carried a sheath knife as part of the 'uniform'. As far as I remember, we could just walk into a shop and buy one, no form filling or documentation required.

They were great for playing 'splits' . . . you other old codgers will probably remember that game :D

Re: [update] Santa Fe school shooting: 10 dead and 10 wounded in Texas
 

Yep, being an "old codger" I do but, the knife was within a sheathe with a locking strap (IIRC) at the top of the handle.

This is the American version but UK was just the same. No "quick draw" and stab!