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First teaser for Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker.
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Lando, Death Star wreckage and Emperor all in one trailer. Going to be a fan service extravaganza. The rise of Ben Skywalker. He wouldn't want to take his dad's name after murdering him I guess
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Personally l cannot wait.:hyper::hyper::hyper:
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I have mixed feelings after The Last Jedi. If they want us to believe that Rey is now a fully fledged Jedi they need to indicate a time jump and a change in maturity like they did with Luke in Return of the Jedi.
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I did enjoy TLJ, wouldn't have said its the worst of the Saga by any means. |
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What would have happened if the Beatles loved Star Wars?
Sargent Peppers meets Star Wars. There's 13 tracks altogether. |
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Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker official trailer will be dropping sometime Monday.
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I remain ambivalent
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final trailer and tickets go on sale Monday night USA/Tuesday morning UK
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we'll see how long the Odeon site goes down for this year. I think I was trying for 3 hours last year before I was able to get my ticket and what a disappointment it all turned out to be :p
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really? I remember getting them no problem about 30 mins before they were meant to go on sale, i gave it a go as that worked previous year :), i think before that it was a nightmare
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cineworld doing triple bill, so I guess other cinemas will?
https://www.cineworld.co.uk/films/2d...7-9/ho00007089 |
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The tickets are defo going up tomorrow at Odeon but there is no mention of a triple bill yet. |
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(which does seem to happen to you a lot ;)). |
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6:00 force awakens 9:00 last jedi 00:01 rise of skywalker |
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odeon tickets are on sale - no probs :)
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I have no problem with the movies and TV series this year. :) |
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I'll give you Stranger Things and Chernobyl, absolutely superb and I should have mentioned them.
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Not long now as they say..:hyper::hyper:
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Oh god, that clip was dreadful.
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I loved it :erm:
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Personally l don't see anything wrong with it..
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we may have missed opportunity to read script in advance
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spoilers, duh
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker - 50 Easter Eggs And References You Might Have Missed https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/sta...and/2900-3312/ |
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So should we start a spoiler filled discussion of the film? What we liked and what we didn't?
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I am happy to do it and i'll wrap everything in spoiler tags because i narrow my likes and dislikes down to a few specific instances.
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Just back from the cinema.
Wow. Just wow. Absolutely loved it from beginning to end. And no, there’s nothing wrong with the way Rey’s family story was filled in and resolved. It was done in much the same way with Luke Skywalker, across the three original films, and in this case it perfectly fitted one of the key running themes of the sequel trilogy, which is history repeating (but not quite repeating) itself. The expansion of Jedi/Sith lore was beautifully done, and the absolute end was poignant. I’m truly gutted that the Skywalker saga ends where it does because I so want to know what happens next. |
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What Episode 8 does is to **** from a great height on a lot of nerdy fan theories. It is a very subversive film and all the better for it, much as the Empire Strikes Back was in its day. It’s hard to remember the shock Episode 5 aroused at the time, devoting as it did 2 hours to watching our heroes getting chased across the galaxy and having their arses handed to them multiple times. Yet it has come to be seen as a rare instance of a sequel that out-does the original. Then, in The Last Jedi, setting up the idea that the Jedi might have been hoarding something that properly belonged to everyone, and suggesting that Rey might actually be a nobody, were master strokes that broadened and deepened the Star Wars universe and took the story in innovative, interesting new directions. Whether or not Abrams really has retconned much of The Last Jedi in Rise of Skywalker quite as much as some suggest is questionable. There has been a lot of clever marketing around this new film, not all of it positive, pandering to the idiot fanboys who are still feeling the dark side of the butthurt just because their stupid, elaborate internet theories and their favourite obscure trivia about Grand Admiral Thrawn from some early 1990s spin off novel weren’t taken up and validated in The Last Jedi. They have certainly been allowed to believe that Abrams has “rescued” the franchise, but given the negative fanboy reaction to The Last Jedi they probably had little choice but to market The Rise of Skywalker along those lines. Yet we have to remember that Disney stands behind Star Wars now; it paid a king’s ransom for the franchise and it immediately announced the Skywalker saga was to be completed with another trilogy. It is frankly inconceivable that there was no grand plan for where the story was going from the outset. You just don’t pay $4 billion for something without knowing exactly what you plan to do to safeguard the investment. What was said about Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi was true - from a certain point of view. And Spoiler:
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I have no major issues with TLJ, however there are some points set up in TFA that were totally shat all over and dismissed totally, that they had to retcon or ignore or gloss over in TROS. Smoke was building up to be this big bad and then just killed off. Same with Phasma.
I really enjoyed TROS and thought it ended the Saga really well. The final scene was especially moving and really well done. |
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Luke, and then Yoda, turn Jedi lore on its head by suggesting that the Force might actually be accessible to all and then burning down the temple, but Rey still escapes Luke’s planet with the ancient books, and in The Rise of Skywalker Spoiler:
Admiral Holdo is presented as an inadequate leader who will ultimately have to be deposed by the hero Poe Dameron, only to be revealed as an astute tactician who is forced to kick the impulsive, short-sighted Dameron out of her way in order to save the last of the resistance fighters. The first confrontation in The Last Jedi involves an evacuation that looks exactly like the one from the beginning of The Empire Strikes Back, except this time they don’t escape. The final confrontation, on Crait, is set up to look exactly like Hoth, except the plain is blanketed in salt, not ice (salt destroys ice ;) ) overlying a mineral that looks like blood; not a single First Order AT-AT is taken down and Finn’s heroic attack run is forcibly halted by Rose. Time and time again, The Last Jedi sets up sci-fi tropes (usually tropes that have previously been employed within the franchise itself) and then knocks them down. |
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I think as well, people weren't happy with the Rose character in TLJ and then also incensed that she was notably missing for most or Rise. However that was due to her sharing a lot of her screen time with Leia in the base, but of course much of that was scrubbed due to the passing of Carrie Fisher. Abrahams himself confirmed that in a recent interview.
Yes there are a few plot holes remaining and a dw little niggles I had with the full trilogy,but at the end of the day, they are minor things and do not stop me enjoying the 3 films. |
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I actually don’t think Abrams is in the business of fan service ... his alternate timeline explainer for Star Trek was a sop to fans, but it never properly accounted for all the differences in his Star Trek universe, which ultimately were there because Abrams knows how to tell a blockbusting good story and he knew that objective was impossible within the established continuity of the TV series. So I don’t think he wrote Rose out because she wasn’t popular with a bunch of misogynistic, basement dwelling internet nerds; I absolutely agree that in the ensemble piece TROS was always intended to be, her place was always going to be an engineering role at the resistance base with Leia, which inevitably curtailed her appearance due to Carrie Fisher’s untimely death. |
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For those who wondered where Rey got her combat abilities, it's explained in Episode 9
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The funny thing is though, and we didn't get to find out, I half got the impression that Finn was going to tell Rey he loves her. There were a few things which killed me with Rise and it is all to do with my realism factor and how far fetched stuff is. Things like Rey jumping through the forcefield on Ben's destroyer into space/orbit onto the Falcon. I thought the battle on the deck of the star destroyer at the end was stupid and the passage of time fried my brain. You assume they have gone through hyperspace and it has taken them a few hours to get there because there was no mention of waypoints and having to stop and refuel etc and add another couple of hours on for the battle, so how the pluck did Lando get around a gazillion star systems and rally thousands of ships in that short time period? That would have taken weeks and months. I also thought Lando was under used as well. Given the enormity of his character he should have had more of an influential role and I felt he was there more for decoration than anything else and it was a disservice to his character. Making Finn a "General" at the end was a joke. The big thing in this film which did it for me was the soundtrack. Whether you want to call it fan service or not, there was a lot more of the original music and themes in this film which is what it needed in the key moments and it helped make it feel more like Star Wars. I wish they would use the Yoda or Force theme in The Mandalorian as well. I liked how the relationship ended with Rey and Ben and if they were going to make more films in the future I would like to have seen little Jedi babies. I thought what they did for Leia was beautiful and honoured her character properly. I mentioned in the rate the last film you saw thread that I think this is the best out of the three films. I have got two big problems with this trilogy as a whole and both come down to who is in charge. Whether you like TLJ or hate it you have got to admit there is a problem with consistency across the trilogy. I don't understand why somebody like Kathleen Kennedy didn't sit down right at the start and hash out the story for the trilogy so you knew you was telling one big story as they did with the previous trilogies. Throwing in Palpatine in the last film just doesn't work. The second thing for me is again down to quality of story. I like Rey and BB8 but the other characters don't do anything for me at all. In the previous films you cared about every single character and were emotionally invested in them, whether it be Han, Padme, Vader, Obi-Wan, all of them, good or bad. They all had depth and the characters meant something. I honestly couldn't care less in these films if anyone died, Po, Finn or anyone else. The only people I cared about were the original characters. This trilogy didn't feel like Star Wars and I don't feel like the story has moved on or I am any more the wiser or richer for having watched it. The best way I can describe it is like you asking me to make a Marvel film. I can have lots of battles, I can put the characters in it and reference various elements of the franchise but you know it wouldn't feel right without the magical touch of the key people like Kevin Feige. The same applies to these films. The prequel trilogy felt like Star Wars and you knew you was watching part of a larger story. The new trilogy feels like a marketing gimmick to me where somebody has bought the rights to Star Wars (which they quite literally have) and are just banging out something to capitalise on the brand. The only film which has felt right was Rogue One. I was planning on putting everything in spoiler tags but as the film has now been out for two weeks I didn't feel it was necessary as anyone who is interested should have seen it by now. |
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I think the film series is best watched without cluttering one’s mind with too much sci fi technicality, especially stuff that sounds like it’s come from the extended universe. To the best of my recollection none of the nine saga films (nor Rogue One, nor IIRC Solo) has ever dealt with the gritty detail of travel time or refuelling stops in any consistent or detailed way. Star Wars is science fantasy, not hard science fiction. The technology serves the plot, it does not dictate it.
It seems to me that you’re falling into the same trap as a great many Uber-fans in getting cross when characters don’t conform to a fairly narrow interpretation of what Star Wars characters “should” do in any given situation. The whole point of The Last Jedi was to challenge those assumptions. Perhaps they pushed it too far for the hardcore fans but I think TLJ was a far better addition to the series for it and Rose’s reaction to Finn’s suicidal attack in the final act was by no means indefensible for her character, especially given how little we knew about her. She wasn’t a galaxy conquering hero fulfilling her manifest destiny, she was a low-grade tech who stumbled in to something way above her pay grade - again, entirely in keeping with the trope-chomping theme of that whole film. |
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I don't know how to explain but things either feel right or they don't. I personally didn't have a problem with Admiral Holdo because she is an unknown character and therefore we do not know how she thinks or reacts to things therefore her behaviour is "realistic" for her character. I also didn't have a problem with Leia flying through space like some people did. There are certain things that work and certain things that don't and I know everyone is different. I feel like we need some Judge Judy words of wisdom and I am very much of the mindset that if it doesn't make sense then it's not true.
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I knew who Rey was as soon as she blasted the transport [they thought] chewey was in. I can only ever remember seeing that power used by the emporor, as soon as it happened I said "thats it, shes palpatines grand daughter". |
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Here's a cracker for you and it explains a lot. I strongly recommend everyone reads it when you have got a spare 15 minutes:
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthan...a_source_that/ |
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That theory seemed more post-hoc conspiracy theory than reality based. |
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It also seems to be so defensive of JJ Abrams that, assuming it isn't just made up by the poster themselves, it seems like the leaker is intentionally trying to deflect from him.
It overrates JJ Abrams as a writer/director. Sorry, this film seemed exactly like the kind of film he would make: Big reveals, twists, and set-pieces at the expensive of a cohesive story. They were worried he would go to DC? How would that help them? JJ Abrams hasn't proved himself good at plotting an overall direction for a story. He is notorious for his ability to come up with cool concepts and mysteries and failing to finish them with much satisfaction. |
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It would be very poor form of Disney to behave in such a manner as well. Marvel and the MCU are so epic and well respected that they should let the franchise stand on its merits. People don't flock to MCU films because they are the only thing out there, they go because they are the best and people will still go and see them regardless of what else is on.
That being said, some of the ideas which were omitted would have been perfect for the film and gave it that magical touch I said was missing several posts above. I love the idea of Anakin, Mace, Yoda, Obi Wan etc making a ghostly appearance in support of Rey at the end with the Force theme blasting through the speakers. Those are the kind of special moments that make it Star Wars. Tbh I loved all the idea/scenes which were left out and it would have been a completely different film in terms of the feel if they had been left in. |
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Well they did all turn up at the end, admittedly audio only, but nonetheless. I think it was better done as a subtle audio appearance though, as all of them on screen would have stolen the limelight from Rey (and Daisy Ridley) which would have been unfair.
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One day we may get to see some of the scenes as deleted scenes, as some of them were actually filmed.
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These leaks read like a fan created script of what would be awesome. A Star Wars Greatest Hits Reunion Episode as opposed to the final film. The gang is back together one last time e.t.c. Really the film should have been a full 3 hour debate in the Star Wars Senate thing from the prequels into the Emperors Executive Overreach but the cowards at Disney didn't have the guts. Also Ewoks flying X-Wings coming in to save the day at the end rather than all those ships. |
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this is the funny thing, so many ppl love Star Wars so much, it's impossible to please us all.
We don't know why seeing the force ghosts was cut, it could be to keep time down, it could be that it was distraction, it was unnecessary, the audio alone was more powerful. BUT what I do know, is that if we had seen the ghosts, there would be ppl moaning that they were only put in as lip service to the fans, and that the "director's cut" with audio only would have been better ;). Also, which Anakin ghost? The "proper" one, from when we saw RotJ when we were kids, or the "new" one done after Ep 3? Hypethetical situation and I've already split the fan boys ;) There was a twitter post from Star Wars asking for fan ideas - that ewoks in x-wings needs to be submitted. |
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TROS has just hit $1bn at the box office, I didn't think it was going to make it.
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Becasue he didnt like it ;)
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It was my favourite of the three. I didn't think it would hit $1bn because it didn't have the explosive start the previous two did and it had a lot of popular criticism and appeared to grind to a halt around £650m so the fact that it managed to keep going and hit $1bn is very impressive. Love it or hate it, it just shows that no matter how bad a film is certain franchises seem destined to rake in the $$$ and it is sad because it doesn't encourage Disney/Lucasfilm to really try and do a proper job; they know people will watch it regardless of how little effort they pup into it or how badly they screw it up. I think the one exception to that in relation to Star Wars is Solo.
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But the challenge is that different peoples' definition of "badly screw it up" varies wildly, so they are never ever going to satisfy all parts of the fan base.
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Also, I never believed that Rey's parents were insignificant. I've seen too many films and TV shows where the writers go to great lengths to tell the viewer how a given character is insignificant only to reveal at the end that he or she is actually very significant, and the later Star Wars films have ALWAYS done that with Rey and her parents. I'll be honest, I did believe the fan theory that Luke was her father, and her mother was one of the characters from the expanded universe (even though this is not canon), perhaps Mara Jade. So I was wrong on that count. |
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Got to be better than the original :) (yes, the stories are true, it really is that bad)
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Never thought I'd say this about a Star Wars Holiday Special, but I'm genuinely looking forward to this.
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It does look very very good. Also some hilarious jokes that only Lego could get away with.
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i was looking forward to it, as i thought the trailer was really funny, the actual show was a bit boring :(
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I would image anyone really interested already has their copy (mine came a few days ago). :D
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not if they don't normally buy SFX or magazines in general
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