Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The probably thought (reasonably IMO) that you wanted to cancel because you thought that phorm was being intorduced. seeing as its not they have not acted on your notice. Instead of making things difficult for yourselfd and eventually spendning much more time on the phone sorting it out. HOw about just sending another email explaining that you still want to cancel your services regardless of phorm being introduced???

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

i cant seem to find the reference now, but i seem to recall seeing a text that stated the Phorm Kit was infact NOT accessable to the ISP techs/staff.

that it was infact, a closed system that Phorm personel and only they could telnet/remote access in to these boxes and administer as required.

but it was said that they would not do so unless authorised by the ISP staff....

its not in the
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?...2&pid=22777122

and its strange that that thread hasnt gone anywere given the contents such as this.

"by anticypher (48312) <anticypher@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Monday March 17, @04:37PM
"Here are the notes I took from a sales pitch to a client.

Although NDAs were passed around, all of the technical and business consulting staff refused to sign them, so this information is freely available and can in no way be considered a trade secret.

Some of my notes come from other people's observations in the ensuing PR war. "
...
"Phorm has addressed the main part of pesky privacy laws in Europe by "gifting" the collection equipment to the ISP using a standard 5 year depreciation schedule.

The interception and initial filtering kit officially becomes property of the ISP, but is installed, maintained, configured and run by Phorm's technical team.

If the equipment stays 5 years in the ISP's premises, then it becomes the full property of the ISP.

The ISP can claim to privacy oversight groups that the equipment belongs to them, and that all the personal information hasn't left their network should post-analysis show the customer has "opted-out" of passing the information to Phorm's China-based servers.

The data is still captured and analyzed, just not all of it is passed to Phorm.
"
...
"The problem I, and others, had with Phorm's plan was that they leave some kind of HTML trick code running in the browser session to track all subsequent web traffic and to allow them to intercept anything they believe to be relevant"

anyone seen and got the text reference for the no ISP personel access to the kit?.

and its strange given the ISP wont fully own the kit until 5 years is up.

PS, i noticed earlyer, PRphorm was reading but didnt take the time to comment on any posts since his last PR'ed post here ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Is it the recent Q&A on badphorm.co.uk that you're looking for? Specifically questions 11 through 13?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The share price is only down 6.58% today so far today so maybe they think they have turned the corner and the fight back is running out of steam? If thats why they havent been active then they have made a big mistake. This isnt going to go away. No amount of PR, lies and deception will placate us. Only once this system becomes opt-in, with a complete bypass of phorms system for those who choose against opting in, will this issue die down.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

no , but ill find it if i can find some time, its the total oposit of this , the text said only Phorm personel had access and i think it mentioned BT ISP personal didnt get access.

it wasnt a Q&A but a tech comment, i think about 2 or 3 days ago.

but i do read and go out of my way to find the less main stream Phorm tech postings sites to try and get a better view so if its on one of them it might take a while.

that reason i want it is so we can try and collate a reference with times and dates to make it easyer to to see the true access of the partys involved collecting and messing with our
data.

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carrage returns are good ;)

i like the
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM graph.

although it seems they bounced back a little bit later today, most try harder...


Ps.why are you 19 guests reading not registering and posting here to give your thoughts, the more the meryer, go on you know you want too...

and take part in the poll, its upto 26 now...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No worries, I'll look forward to reading it myself should you come across it again. :)

I just found a new article on the NY Times that has an interesting quote (may need to login to view):

Well don't I feel all happy and secure now? </sarcasm>

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

LOL, Chris just has to keep bringing up Phorm in all the headlines
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/20/weekly_0320/
Vista SP1 launched as Phorm declared illegal


The Register Weekly Digest has been put together to make your life easy.

---------- Post added at 19:00 ---------- Previous post was at 18:53 ----------

LOL Yeah, heres its billing and a fair use bit... incase you didnt register.

"
A Company Promises the Deepest Data Mining Yet.
By LOUISE STORY
Published: March 20, 20.08

Amid debate over how much data companies like Google and Yahoo should gather about people who surf the Web, one new company is drawing attention — and controversy — by boasting that it will collect the most complete information of all.

The company, called Phorm, has created a tool that can track every single online action of a given consumer, based on data from that person’s Internet service provider."

GO Virasb Vahidi, the chief operating officer of Phorm and PRTeam....:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

This is hilarious :)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03...n_phorm_clone/

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I wonder why it is, but i get the feeling that VM & Phorm are treating us all like Mushrooms.
We are being kept in the dark & being fed bull***t.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Somebody came along and invested £3,509,110 at the last minute. That is a heck of a lot of money. Even then the price is down day on day. :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:juggle: so which behavioral targeted ad do they send to which Esther Dyson :erm:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

They obvious have way more money than sense. Given the news from the US today that US legislators are insisting that the service -must- be explicitly opted in and Phorm's success relies on opting people in by default. The news in the NY Times is not really mainstream at the moment, but it is going to have a huge impact on Phorm's attempts in the US and is likely to hit the share prices very hard next week.

The person who bought all those shares at the last minute probably assumed the price would not drop much lower, I think they are going to be very surprised and disappointed. Either that or it was a shorter who had a large sale to honour (which means they may have made a packet just from that single trade).

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If you look on the LSE, you'll see that that transaction was cancelled immediately

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I just completed a tracert to a website I am trying to help the owner solve some issues he has and noticed the change in IP number for first hop.

When you do a whois the ip you get
So what is going on!

Yes since the phorm outbreak I feel like am getting paranoid on who is watching me...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That's the router talking to the Modem on the Modem's private internal IP I believe. Is why the IP is in the reserved private netowrk range. Its nothing on the external net.