Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It's a much better start to the weekend than PhormUKPRteam's weather report.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

How about if this jank ever see's the light of day we start a run of leaving virgin media like all the northern rock people did see what happens then ;).

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

And go to BT who already have done the dirty...Sky which I would never do 'cos I hate Murdoch and all he stands for.Not a lot of choice left I'm afraid which I think they may be banking on.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I read, watched and listened to everything I could lay my hands on from Phorm during their initial PR offensive and was prepared to hear them out and consider calmly what they were saying about privacy and anonymity.
Having done that, and undertaken further research (including reading the patent application for the webwise technology) I have decided that I do not want this system anywhere near my data. It is true that I have a predisposition towards not giving any personal data to anyone unless I consider there to be a very good reason to do so, and I also have a dislike of advertising generally, but I did not dismiss the possibility of participating in this scheme until I felt that I had all the facts (or, at least, as many as were being made available) Why is that a knee-jerk reaction?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've just had an email from VM about them scrapping the premium rate tech support.

So if you haven't already told them what you think of Phorm leave them some feedback, or you can send them the link to that new report by Richard Clayton :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Already posted in the feedback newsgroup;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yes I read it.
Input = All web browsing data
Process = analyse and code to target ad sector
Output = database of cookie code | ad sector | timestamp
Output = Decode and debug database

To an extent I am not concerned about the output, he is right the outputs are largely anonymised data of limited use to anyone but the software serving ads on the OIX opted in sites.

The concern and the piece they keep skirting around is whether the input is personal data and whether the process itself is illegal under RIPA.

The secondary concern is that while now they say we don't have catagories for pron and ed and diabeties and don't scan https that does not mean that they cannot it means the do not and in the future a change to the code could mean they do.

The royal mail / post office is not allowed to open my mail, BT, VM etc are not allowed to wiretap my phone line, conceptually this is the same.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

One can now add fraud to the list of probable illegal operations that the Phorm system makes. Assuming that is that 'pretending' to be a website (cnn.com in the given example) is fraud . . .

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi. It's Alex @ Phorm

The ICO has posted its latest statement on Phorm, which includes the following:

"They assure us that their system does not allow the retention of individual profiles of sites visited and adverts presented, and that they hold no personally identifiable information on web users. Indeed, Phorm assert that their system has been designed specifically to allow the appropriate targeting of adverts whilst rigorously protecting the privacy of web users."

The full statement is here: http://www.ico.gov.uk/about_us/news_..._releases.aspx

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That quote doesn't tell us that the ICO think Phorm is ok, it tells us that Phorm have told them it's ok.....

In fact they make no recommendations about Phorm, they provide no opinions on Phorm, and they give no indication as to how the public feel about Phorm.

They simply repeat the same tired old junk that we've heard from Phorm, without giving any clear direction.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

All you are quoting is that which Phorm have told the ICO... :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

And perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us what your role is. PR perhaps?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Picked up by the beeb

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7331493.stm

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thank you, without wanting to sound patronising, I think most of those contributing to this thread understand that Phorm does not allow the retention of indiviually identified data. The concern is how you get to that data, that involves reviewing lots and lots of individually identifiable data. It is the inputs and analysis, not the output that is the problem.