Cable Forum - Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

I can see BT, TalkTalk and Virgin Media are struggling to understand the complex issue of copyright.

For their convenience I've created a simplified "ISPs Guide to Copyright", an instructional video if you will...

Enjoy (you will ;) )

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/video/copyright.wmv

(with sincere apologies to anyone who can't handle wmv)

COPYRIGHT FREE - FEEL FREE TO REDISTRIBUTE WITH MY BLESSING

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Florence

07-06-2008 18:49

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CWH (Post 34570381)

Wouldn't it be nice, if the groups in this Country took a leaf out of the USA regarding Phorm et al. (As reported by The Register)

Colin

That would be difficult when you have GB as the none voted in prime minister on a paraniod trip for security from terrorists. Now all are terrorists unless you can prove other wise so total survilence. more like total madness he must be in need of putting out to grass retirment early.

Look at what has been thought of by him supposedily for our security and how many of these things have lost personal details data that they most likely didn't need was lost in the public domain. They gather more than they need so then become the sercurity leak.

We need a new fresh start with public safety in the list and more for the public to defend themselves from intrusion into their privacy, more in protecting them from large corporate companies leeching from their privacy.

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: @ that had to watch it three times was listening out for any stutters or hesitation but there was none but a infectious laugh at the end.

Rchivist

07-06-2008 18:51

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

While we're on creative writing, I'm planning a script for a Bremner Bird and Fortune interview with Georgina Parr, BT Director of Customer Stealth Trials and Profiling, starring John Bird in a skirt and wig. It will of course be entirely fictional and speculative.

rogerdraig

07-06-2008 18:59

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34569703)

@Dephormation

Pete,

that train reminds me of a graph of their share price. ;)

ROFL

lardycake

07-06-2008 19:24

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34570384)

... For their convenience I've created a simplified "ISPs Guide to Copyright", an instructional video if you will...

I like it. Just one small quibble, perhaps you should rename the "police" character as "Mr Bailiff" as surely copyright is a civil matter?

Dephormation

07-06-2008 19:28

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by lardycake (Post 34570415)

I like it. Just one small quibble, perhaps you should rename the "police" character as "Mr Bailiff" as surely copyright is a civil matter?

No - it is criminal... if you're a business. :)

See section 107 (Criminal liability for making or dealing with infringing articles, &c).

Also section 110 (Offence by body corporate: liability of officers).

BT directors could go to prison for copyright alone (never mind fraud, DPA, RIPA etc).

lardycake

07-06-2008 19:38

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34570417)

No - it is criminal... if you're a business. :)

That's even better then. So the police/Crown Prosecution Service would, in theory, take up the case?

Florence

07-06-2008 20:02

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

What this now looks like is BT say it isnt legal the law as we see it and some legla advisers say it is. Using the information from the ICO the only way to prove it is legal or not is through court so now the secret trials should go to court to prove once and for all it was illegal (or legal)

chris9991

07-06-2008 21:01

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

For those who haven't seen it yet - link to the story in the Economist's Technology Quarterly

http://www.economist.com/displaystor...ry_id=11482452

It would appear to be slightly biased towards being in favour of Phorm

BadPhormula

07-06-2008 21:25

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34570384)

ROFL

Infotainment

tdadyslexia

07-06-2008 22:18

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34569950)

Labougie, you can continue to do that but apathy doesn't rule here and I won't be giving up. The only reason any of this crap has happened in the first place is because of the complete apathy of the general population, but I disagree with you completely in that I believe if that apathy can be dissolved then the people can definitely get those rights back.

When passion swells in the general populace because they have had enough and don't want to take this crap any more, then no government or corporation in the land will stop it.

You believe what you like, but frankly I find your comments an offence to people who do give a flying unmentionable and an illustration of part of the problem, not part of the solution. Attitudes like yours are exactly why we are in the situation we are in the first place in my opinion. Instead of being such a pessimist how about becoming pro-active and trying to do something and make a difference instead of just sitting there talking defeatist rubbish.

Seriously, why some people even bother to post if all they are intent on doing is trying to dampen morale, is beyond me.

Alexander Hanff

Here, Here, Alex I agree 100% with you on this!

Rchivist

07-06-2008 23:04

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

I wonder if any technically minded people here could summarise (in layman's language) the relevant bits of the leaked report, so I can add them to my summary of the non-techie bits, and put the whole thing together as a document anyone can use to send to their MP/MEP/ICO etc.

I'll leave it to the techies to decide what is significant - perhaps the IP address issues, the latency - and other stuff I don't understand. The main importance would be to pick up technical stuff that had a bearing on the illegality of the 2006 trials, or had a bearing on the alleged duplicity and deceit of any consequent statements by BT and Phorm.

The key thing would be to keep it in layman's language and make it easy to understand - don't want any MP's dozing off before they get to the end.

popper

08-06-2008 04:12

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34570065)

Yeah I was experimenting trying a few things, it is back now.

http://cryptome.org <- I never knew that was there til just now.

Alexander Hanff

Cryptome has an interesting old PDF from charles clarke MP

clarke-rip-lie.htm + Charles Clarke MP Lied About RIP June 6, 2008

Charles Clarke MP Letter:
http://cryptome.org/clarke-rip-lie.pdf (4pp, 823KB)

Dephormation

08-06-2008 08:43

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

13,974... 13,975... 13,976

Make sure your name is on the list of the smartest people on the planet. Only twenty four chances left to say "my name is in the first 14 thousand".

:group:

icsys

08-06-2008 09:45

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by popper (Post 34570627)

There is another online petition on the very subject of public bodies having access to our personal information. local councils are abusing the act to spy upon their own constituents over trivial matters.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ripact/

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